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Health officials literally made extremely poor, technocratic decisions all throughout the pandemic, I don’t know how you can claim otherwise. Quite literally, s

Health officials literally made extremely poor, technocratic decisions all throughout the pandemic, I don’t know how you can claim otherwise. Quite literally, signs were posted in places like parks, beaches, and outdoor spaces that you could not go there “per order of the health department”. The idea that you can’t go to the park to get fresh air when there’s an airborne virus floating around in closed spaces is literally the perfect example of a technocracy going completely off the rails.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
You may want to read those signs a bit more closely, because the CDC did not close schools, parks, beaches, or restaurants. > Police enforced the orders in a lot of cases, astonishingly even when there was no law in place delegating that authority to them, or when it was blatantly illegal and contradicted the US Constitution (i.e Religious assembly). That's one of the things why the US was a laughing stock worldwide: prioritizing going to mass to a pandemic. But it is worth noting that these orders came from state governor offices, not the CDC. Again, the CDC does not have that kind of power.
- spookthesunset 3y ago
  My friend, it isn’t 2020 anymore. It’s okay to admit you got fooled. Everybody will eventually convert to my side. Because those of us who see the lockdowns as a colossal mistake will be (sadly) proven right. What we did in response to covid was perhaps the biggest fuckup in human history. The story of covid is 10% disease mitigation, 20% intellectual error, 30% media fearmongering and 40% politics.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    Fooled. Tell that to the million plus people dead. Like, WTF dude, come back down to earth, there was a pandemic and millions died.
    - spookthesunset 3y ago
      Those people were still gonna die no matter how much yoh shamed people for the audacity of going fishing or going on a hike or using a playground. You can’t control covid. Sorry. And speaking of… how do yo explain Japan’s huge surges of covid despite being the most mask heavy country in the world? Did the Japanese not take covid seriously? Anyway I’m bored of this. You will wake up someday and realize how badly you got duped. There are billions of other problems in the world besides covid. The myopic fixation on covid-only was a disaster. History will prove it.
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        The ratio of infections and deaths in Japan is a small fraction of those in the US, with more population density and an average age 10 years older of that in the US. This is all publicly available data. Yeah, they did way better with worse odds. What a egotistic fool you are.
        spookthesunset 3y ago
        Thanks for the name calling. But don’t worry I’m used to it by now. Your responses do a great job highlighting how naked fear coupled with intense propaganda can turn people into monsters. I truly believe if one of “the experts” gave permission to physically harm dissenters like myself, my entire family would be dead. And the dudes who snitched me out (which includes you by the way) and executed me and my daughter would go to sleep with a smile on their face. And that is not hyperbole at all. The fact so many otherwise smart people don’t see that is scary as fuck. Fear, tribalism and propaganda is a hell of a drug.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Next up, “why being stuck at home is literally like nazi Germany”. Grow up.
        spookthesunset 3y ago
  - majormajor 3y ago
    You apparently lived through an experience where both the policies proscribed by the government and the organic behavior of the people on the ground constantly changed as an environment of uncertainty slowly turned into one of more certainty, and a lack of medical tools turned into one with multiple tools available... and didn't see ANY of that but just think everything was fearmongering and propaganda. People and governments behaved differently in March 2020 than they did in September 2020 than they did in January 2021 than they did in July 2021, etc, etc, in extremely reasonable ways. And you're trying to score political points off the fact that in hindsight you would've done some of those things differently. Well you don't fucking get to have hindsight in advance. Give up your crusade. "What we did in response to covid was perhaps the biggest fuckup in human history" - read more history.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

You may want to read those signs a bit more closely, because the CDC did not close schools, parks, beaches, or restaurants. > Police enforced the orders in a lot of cases, astonishingly even when there was no law in place delegating that authority to them, or when it was blatantly illegal and contradicted the US Constitution (i.e Religious assembly). That's one of the things why the US was a laughing stock worldwide: prioritizing going to mass to a pandemic. But it is worth noting that these orders came from state governor offices, not the CDC. Again, the CDC does not have that kind of power.

spookthesunset 3y ago
My friend, it isn’t 2020 anymore. It’s okay to admit you got fooled. Everybody will eventually convert to my side. Because those of us who see the lockdowns as a colossal mistake will be (sadly) proven right. What we did in response to covid was perhaps the biggest fuckup in human history. The story of covid is 10% disease mitigation, 20% intellectual error, 30% media fearmongering and 40% politics.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  Fooled. Tell that to the million plus people dead. Like, WTF dude, come back down to earth, there was a pandemic and millions died.
  - spookthesunset 3y ago
    Those people were still gonna die no matter how much yoh shamed people for the audacity of going fishing or going on a hike or using a playground. You can’t control covid. Sorry. And speaking of… how do yo explain Japan’s huge surges of covid despite being the most mask heavy country in the world? Did the Japanese not take covid seriously? Anyway I’m bored of this. You will wake up someday and realize how badly you got duped. There are billions of other problems in the world besides covid. The myopic fixation on covid-only was a disaster. History will prove it.
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      The ratio of infections and deaths in Japan is a small fraction of those in the US, with more population density and an average age 10 years older of that in the US. This is all publicly available data. Yeah, they did way better with worse odds. What a egotistic fool you are.
      - spookthesunset 3y ago
        Thanks for the name calling. But don’t worry I’m used to it by now. Your responses do a great job highlighting how naked fear coupled with intense propaganda can turn people into monsters. I truly believe if one of “the experts” gave permission to physically harm dissenters like myself, my entire family would be dead. And the dudes who snitched me out (which includes you by the way) and executed me and my daughter would go to sleep with a smile on their face. And that is not hyperbole at all. The fact so many otherwise smart people don’t see that is scary as fuck. Fear, tribalism and propaganda is a hell of a drug.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Next up, “why being stuck at home is literally like nazi Germany”. Grow up.
        spookthesunset 3y ago
- majormajor 3y ago
  You apparently lived through an experience where both the policies proscribed by the government and the organic behavior of the people on the ground constantly changed as an environment of uncertainty slowly turned into one of more certainty, and a lack of medical tools turned into one with multiple tools available... and didn't see ANY of that but just think everything was fearmongering and propaganda. People and governments behaved differently in March 2020 than they did in September 2020 than they did in January 2021 than they did in July 2021, etc, etc, in extremely reasonable ways. And you're trying to score political points off the fact that in hindsight you would've done some of those things differently. Well you don't fucking get to have hindsight in advance. Give up your crusade. "What we did in response to covid was perhaps the biggest fuckup in human history" - read more history.