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>> I am glad that in America even communists are not locked up for voicing their views Let me introduce you to when the US locked up its own citizens without c

>> I am glad that in America even communists are not locked up for voicing their views Let me introduce you to when the US locked up its own citizens without cause or due process: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Ameri...

overlordalex 3y ago
Even more cromulently: In Dennis v. United States the government jailed the leaders of the american communist party, and the supreme court upheld the conviction. And if it's said that it's justified because they were the leaders: in Harisiades v. Shaughnessy the supreme court ruled that immigrants can be deported for being a previous member of the communist party, not even in any sort of leadership position. This includes just being a member for a year or two several decades ago. You can make the argument that those were cases from the last century, so how about being arrested for exercising your first amendment in the wrong place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone For something even more recent, protesters attempting to stop a massive new police training center* are being charged with domestic terrorism *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Cop_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Cop_City While there is definitely plenty of latitude around "free speech" in America, it's not limitless and the government will happily jail you if they disagree with what you're saying. This is not even getting into topics like COINTELPRO
cat_plus_plus 3y ago
So 80 years ago and not since? Cool, thank you for agreeing that China is almost a century behind times!
- basisword 3y ago
  Guantanamo Bay.
  - cat_plus_plus 3y ago
    In theory, Guantanamo Bay detains foreign nationals who did a lot more than just say "oh one day the world will be better off as a theocracy". Planning to overthrow US government to build either communism or theocracy is illegal and I am Ok with that. Speech is something not mandatory for me to hear and something I am not forced to follow. In practice, I am sure there are many abuses and lack of due process to establish that each detainee is in fact a terrorist. But comparing that to extermination of millions by Stalin or Ughur reeducation camps in China is ridiculous. It's a small number of individuals who slipped through the cracks, and any system has cracks.

overlordalex 3y ago

Even more cromulently: In Dennis v. United States the government jailed the leaders of the american communist party, and the supreme court upheld the conviction. And if it's said that it's justified because they were the leaders: in Harisiades v. Shaughnessy the supreme court ruled that immigrants can be deported for being a previous member of the communist party, not even in any sort of leadership position. This includes just being a member for a year or two several decades ago. You can make the argument that those were cases from the last century, so how about being arrested for exercising your first amendment in the wrong place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone For something even more recent, protesters attempting to stop a massive new police training center* are being charged with domestic terrorism *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Cop_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Cop_City While there is definitely plenty of latitude around "free speech" in America, it's not limitless and the government will happily jail you if they disagree with what you're saying. This is not even getting into topics like COINTELPRO

cat_plus_plus 3y ago

So 80 years ago and not since? Cool, thank you for agreeing that China is almost a century behind times!

basisword 3y ago
Guantanamo Bay.
- cat_plus_plus 3y ago
  In theory, Guantanamo Bay detains foreign nationals who did a lot more than just say "oh one day the world will be better off as a theocracy". Planning to overthrow US government to build either communism or theocracy is illegal and I am Ok with that. Speech is something not mandatory for me to hear and something I am not forced to follow. In practice, I am sure there are many abuses and lack of due process to establish that each detainee is in fact a terrorist. But comparing that to extermination of millions by Stalin or Ughur reeducation camps in China is ridiculous. It's a small number of individuals who slipped through the cracks, and any system has cracks.