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On the other hand, France doesn’t treat women with hijab well (with state bans and laws against hijab)! Both states restrict freedom, in different ways. http

by aborsy 3y ago

On the other hand, France doesn’t treat women with hijab well (with state bans and laws against hijab)! Both states restrict freedom, in different ways. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in... https://time.com/6049226/france-hijab-ban/ https://time.com/6049226/france-hijab-ban/ https://www.npr.org/2021/04/08/985475584/french-senate-voted-to-ban-the-hijab-for-minors-in-a-plea-by-the-conservative-ri https://www.npr.org/2021/04/08/985475584/french-senate-voted... https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/france-football-hijab-women-ban-state-racism?mc_cid=62e111bfc1&mc_eid=b20581e1d9 https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/france-football-hijab-...

tarsinge 3y ago
No, stop repeating propaganda. People are free to do what they want in the public space (see edit). Religious symbols are banned in schools and for public employees. *Edit: with the exception of full face covering in public (different from hijab) which is banned regardless the method.
retrac 3y ago
The issue is not the forcing people to wear clothes, really. If Islamic societies applied this rule equally to men we'd all wear hats in Iran without thinking and no one would discuss it other than as a cultural oddity. It's illegal to bare certain parts of the body in many western countries. But men in Iran get to sharply dress and show off their barber's work. They're allowed to be full individuals in this domain, not shuttered away dependents. That's the issue with an imposed hijab that applies only to women.
- true_religion 3y ago
  I think if it were only about clothes, it would be considered a quirk. Like how western societies bizarrely hide female torsos while allowing men to walk around shirtless. However the oppression of women in Iran goes further than just being told to wear specific clothes.
workingdog 3y ago
France treats women with hijabs very well. Giving them food, housing and money all at the expense of France's own people.
- true_religion 3y ago
  One could consider women with hijabs to be Frances own people. Being Islamic is no barrier to being French, right?
  - throwawaywu 3y ago
    The French have been there for thousands of years with their own culture. If your not part of that culture, your not French.
    - ithkuil 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure thousands of years ago nobody in France was watching TV, flying in airplanes, even eating french fries. People import culture all the time. Most dishes of the Italian cuisine involve tomatoes which weren't there before contact with the Americas. In India spicy food wasn't really same without chilli peppers! Just be honest. It's not about culture, it's just that some people don't like other people that come from other lineages and appear different to us. No matter how you adapt and fit in you'll always be unwelcome by some people, just because you shouldn't have come in the first place! People rationalize around details all the times but ultimately it boils down to this: for some there is a double standard; you're either full-blood American, French, Italian, whatnot or you just should shut up and perhaps "we can put up with you, if you behave.". If an American, French, Italian commits crime in his country, well that unfortunate but ultimately "he's a good boy, who went astray".
- remram 3y ago
  Women with hijabs are not "France's own people"? Your racism is a little too obvious here.
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by aborsy 3y ago

tarsinge 3y ago

No, stop repeating propaganda. People are free to do what they want in the public space (see edit). Religious symbols are banned in schools and for public employees. *Edit: with the exception of full face covering in public (different from hijab) which is banned regardless the method.

retrac 3y ago

The issue is not the forcing people to wear clothes, really. If Islamic societies applied this rule equally to men we'd all wear hats in Iran without thinking and no one would discuss it other than as a cultural oddity. It's illegal to bare certain parts of the body in many western countries. But men in Iran get to sharply dress and show off their barber's work. They're allowed to be full individuals in this domain, not shuttered away dependents. That's the issue with an imposed hijab that applies only to women.

true_religion 3y ago
I think if it were only about clothes, it would be considered a quirk. Like how western societies bizarrely hide female torsos while allowing men to walk around shirtless. However the oppression of women in Iran goes further than just being told to wear specific clothes.

workingdog 3y ago

France treats women with hijabs very well. Giving them food, housing and money all at the expense of France's own people.

true_religion 3y ago
One could consider women with hijabs to be Frances own people. Being Islamic is no barrier to being French, right?
- throwawaywu 3y ago
  The French have been there for thousands of years with their own culture. If your not part of that culture, your not French.
  - ithkuil 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure thousands of years ago nobody in France was watching TV, flying in airplanes, even eating french fries. People import culture all the time. Most dishes of the Italian cuisine involve tomatoes which weren't there before contact with the Americas. In India spicy food wasn't really same without chilli peppers! Just be honest. It's not about culture, it's just that some people don't like other people that come from other lineages and appear different to us. No matter how you adapt and fit in you'll always be unwelcome by some people, just because you shouldn't have come in the first place! People rationalize around details all the times but ultimately it boils down to this: for some there is a double standard; you're either full-blood American, French, Italian, whatnot or you just should shut up and perhaps "we can put up with you, if you behave.". If an American, French, Italian commits crime in his country, well that unfortunate but ultimately "he's a good boy, who went astray".
remram 3y ago
Women with hijabs are not "France's own people"? Your racism is a little too obvious here.
- 3y ago