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Why help Red Hat at all when they are becoming more like IBM each day?

RealStickman_ 3y ago
Fedora contributors are the ones maintaining the packages and they might have more work now if something breaks on the M1. This only "helps" Red Hat in that they can get more testing on ARM.
- throwawaykk4 3y ago
  Exactly. And users help them by testing and submitting bug reports, posting on forums/lists, etc. So my question stands, why help IBM at all in any way when you know what that is feeding into?
  - dralley 3y ago
    From TFA "But the main reason is that there have been many issues surrounding the maintenance of ARM packages for Arch Linux, and that the Fedora team is both capable and willing to provide provide the support needed to provide a truly polished Linux experience on modern Macs (the main goal of the Asahi Linux project). By moving to Fedora, the Asahi team can focus on reverse engineering Apple hardware while the Fedora team can focus on maintaining the distribution itself on the Apple Silicon platform. This combination of Fedora with the Asahi boot components and drivers for Apple Silicon is called Fedora Asahi Remix." This is a bidirectional relationship, the Asahi linux developers also benefit from the people and infrastructure in Fedora.
    - throwawaykk4 3y ago
      I'd rather help Debian and not see my work help IBM sell RHEL based on Fedora in the future.
      - jamespo 3y ago
        Do you help Debian then?
        olliej 3y ago
        I'm guessing not, unless they consider using it and possibly complaining "helping".
        yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Guessing based on what, the assumption that people who complain never do anything useful? I won't speak for others, but I've submitted bug reports and patches to other distros and also avoid RH projects.
        olliej 3y ago
        based on the person using a throwaway account to make the statement, coupled with the tendency for people to complain about things online but never actually file bug reports.
jasoneckert 3y ago
Because I'm evil ( •̀ᴗ•́ )و Just kidding - I understand the recent hate directed at Red Hat and IBM, but there are always two sides to every story: https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-software-an-old-maddogs-view/ https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-sof... Fedora is an excellent distribution, my second favourite F-word, and a sage choice for providing a polished long-term experience on Apple Silicon.
toomim 3y ago
Is using Asahi helping Redhat? Or is Redhat helping you use Asahi?
pavon 3y ago
While Red Hat may have started Fedora, and does draw from it when building RHEL, it is a community-led distribution through and through. At this point boycotting Fedora because you don't want to support Red Hat is about as sensible as boycotting Debian because you don't want to support Canonical.

Fedora contributors are the ones maintaining the packages and they might have more work now if something breaks on the M1. This only "helps" Red Hat in that they can get more testing on ARM.

throwawaykk4 3y ago
Exactly. And users help them by testing and submitting bug reports, posting on forums/lists, etc. So my question stands, why help IBM at all in any way when you know what that is feeding into?
- dralley 3y ago
  From TFA "But the main reason is that there have been many issues surrounding the maintenance of ARM packages for Arch Linux, and that the Fedora team is both capable and willing to provide provide the support needed to provide a truly polished Linux experience on modern Macs (the main goal of the Asahi Linux project). By moving to Fedora, the Asahi team can focus on reverse engineering Apple hardware while the Fedora team can focus on maintaining the distribution itself on the Apple Silicon platform. This combination of Fedora with the Asahi boot components and drivers for Apple Silicon is called Fedora Asahi Remix." This is a bidirectional relationship, the Asahi linux developers also benefit from the people and infrastructure in Fedora.
  - throwawaykk4 3y ago
    I'd rather help Debian and not see my work help IBM sell RHEL based on Fedora in the future.
    - jamespo 3y ago
      Do you help Debian then?
      - olliej 3y ago
        I'm guessing not, unless they consider using it and possibly complaining "helping".
        yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Guessing based on what, the assumption that people who complain never do anything useful? I won't speak for others, but I've submitted bug reports and patches to other distros and also avoid RH projects.
        olliej 3y ago
        based on the person using a throwaway account to make the statement, coupled with the tendency for people to complain about things online but never actually file bug reports.

jasoneckert 3y ago

Because I'm evil ( •̀ᴗ•́ )و Just kidding - I understand the recent hate directed at Red Hat and IBM, but there are always two sides to every story: https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-software-an-old-maddogs-view/ https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-sof... Fedora is an excellent distribution, my second favourite F-word, and a sage choice for providing a polished long-term experience on Apple Silicon.

toomim 3y ago

Is using Asahi helping Redhat? Or is Redhat helping you use Asahi?

pavon 3y ago

While Red Hat may have started Fedora, and does draw from it when building RHEL, it is a community-led distribution through and through. At this point boycotting Fedora because you don't want to support Red Hat is about as sensible as boycotting Debian because you don't want to support Canonical.