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They can relocate that part to the Netherlands. Copying without public distribution is explicitly legal, and all storage media and smartphones carry a "tax" tha

They can relocate that part to the Netherlands. Copying without public distribution is explicitly legal, and all storage media and smartphones carry a "tax" that's given to the rights holders to compensate them for this. For a long time downloading was legal (uploading wasn't), due to this. But it has changed sometime in the last decade. While the tax is still there and mandatory, so the copyright-lobbyists won on paper. In reality people are moving back from streaming to pirate sites and nothing is being done about it.

bluelu 3y ago
You are completely mistaken That fee only covers general piracy. It does not give you the right to copy copyrighted works. In fact, european copyright is much stricter than US copyright. There is no fair use and european copyright (based on the napoleon code) forbids making a copy of copyrighted works except for a few exceptions specifically mentioned in the law (eg a browser displaying a webpage, etc...).
- lakomen 3y ago
  The new copyright act, I don't know what all changed. All I can say is that analogue copies were permitted. You play it back analogue and record digitally. A youtube copyright claim one of my videos got, from where I filmed fireworks and there was music playing in the background, which was then auto-flagged by the machine, I responded with that video not being about the music and that I can't record fireworks without that music playing and that I had no influence over the person playing that music and that it was technically an analogue recording. The claim was dropped. That is however different from this case of the IA and Sony etc
- tokai 3y ago
  You are also completely mistaken. Making copies for personal use is legal in the Netherlands and (many/most?) EU countries. > You are permitted to make copies of other people’s texts, music and photographs provided that they derive from a legal source. The copies must be for your own use. It is not permissible, however, to distribute or publish such copies. https://www.government.nl/topics/intellectual-property/question-and-answer/can-i-use-other-people%E2%80%99s-texts-music-or-photographs https://www.government.nl/topics/intellectual-property/quest...
  - spookie 3y ago
    I can account that the same is true in Portugal and Sweden
- t0mas88 3y ago
  It is called the "thuiskopieer heffing" which is literally the "home copy tax". Making a non commercial copy of a copyrighted work at home (not distribute it) is absolutely legal in the Netherlands. The fee is not about piracy at all, it's about legal home copies that are not distributed.
- p_l 3y ago
  Many european "copyright" laws do not talk about copies at all. A summary of stance of polish law on copying a copyrighted work can be given as "feel free", with an annoying bit about "circumventing effective copy protection" that got pushed in (note that "effective" results in funny legal discussion of whether a broken DRM system is effective). What is controlled is distribution. I can have my house overflowing with all sorts of copies of disney movies, including derivative works made by myself, so long as I do not actually distribute them beyond myself.
account42 3y ago
> They can relocate that part to the Netherlands. Copying without public distribution is explicitly legal, and all storage media and smartphones carry a "tax" that's given to the rights holders to compensate them for this. Given to some rights holders.

bluelu 3y ago

You are completely mistaken That fee only covers general piracy. It does not give you the right to copy copyrighted works. In fact, european copyright is much stricter than US copyright. There is no fair use and european copyright (based on the napoleon code) forbids making a copy of copyrighted works except for a few exceptions specifically mentioned in the law (eg a browser displaying a webpage, etc...).

lakomen 3y ago
The new copyright act, I don't know what all changed. All I can say is that analogue copies were permitted. You play it back analogue and record digitally. A youtube copyright claim one of my videos got, from where I filmed fireworks and there was music playing in the background, which was then auto-flagged by the machine, I responded with that video not being about the music and that I can't record fireworks without that music playing and that I had no influence over the person playing that music and that it was technically an analogue recording. The claim was dropped. That is however different from this case of the IA and Sony etc
tokai 3y ago
You are also completely mistaken. Making copies for personal use is legal in the Netherlands and (many/most?) EU countries. > You are permitted to make copies of other people’s texts, music and photographs provided that they derive from a legal source. The copies must be for your own use. It is not permissible, however, to distribute or publish such copies. https://www.government.nl/topics/intellectual-property/question-and-answer/can-i-use-other-people%E2%80%99s-texts-music-or-photographs https://www.government.nl/topics/intellectual-property/quest...
- spookie 3y ago
  I can account that the same is true in Portugal and Sweden
t0mas88 3y ago
It is called the "thuiskopieer heffing" which is literally the "home copy tax". Making a non commercial copy of a copyrighted work at home (not distribute it) is absolutely legal in the Netherlands. The fee is not about piracy at all, it's about legal home copies that are not distributed.
p_l 3y ago
Many european "copyright" laws do not talk about copies at all. A summary of stance of polish law on copying a copyrighted work can be given as "feel free", with an annoying bit about "circumventing effective copy protection" that got pushed in (note that "effective" results in funny legal discussion of whether a broken DRM system is effective). What is controlled is distribution. I can have my house overflowing with all sorts of copies of disney movies, including derivative works made by myself, so long as I do not actually distribute them beyond myself.

account42 3y ago

> They can relocate that part to the Netherlands. Copying without public distribution is explicitly legal, and all storage media and smartphones carry a "tax" that's given to the rights holders to compensate them for this. Given to some rights holders.