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"I'm ok" is the punchline, not the status. The status is "police are on their way, car is operable, I can explain more soon (no rush)"

adammarples 3y ago
"I crashed the car" is definitely the punchline, it's what happened. "I'm ok" is reporting your status. "the police are coming" is also status. But if someone just texts to say that they're OK and the police are coming, I still have no idea what's happened.
- torstenvl 3y ago
  No. You are grossly misinterpreting the point of both the story and this system of communication. You don't need to know what happened. You do need to know your kid is okay. Being so preoccupied with the "story" that you think it's more important than your kid being okay is unconscionable.
  - lisper 3y ago
    Sorry, but you are mistaken. From TFA: > 1. Punch line: The facts; no adjectives, adverbs or modifiers. > 2. Current status: How the punch-line statement affects the project. The facts are: I crashed the car. The status is: I'm OK. (The real lesson here is that this methodology is not always a good idea.)
    - torstenvl 3y ago
      I literally do this for a living. You fundamentally misunderstand the principle you're trying to apply. This is HN, not StackOverflow. I encourage you to act in the spirit of intellectual curiosity instead of being self-satisfied with misguided attempts at language lawyering.
      - lisper 3y ago
        > I literally do this for a living. Is that supposed to impress me? Some people do feng shui for a living, or sell homeopathic remedies. Just because someone does something for a living doesn't mean it has any merit. The world is chock-full of wealthy charlatans.
        torstenvl 3y ago
        You are entitled to your opinion that effective communication has no merit. That reflects more on you than it does on me. In any case, your opinions about specific methodologies in fields toward which you are outright dismissive... are of extremely limited value.
        lisper 3y ago
        > effective communication has no merit Effective by what standard? The titular quip is very effective click bait, and if you make your living attracting clicks then I suppose that has merit. But it fails abysmally by the standard of transmitting information clearly (which is made all the more ironic by the fact that it doesn't even follow the guidelines described in the article). Attracting clicks and communicating clearly are fundamentally at odds because the whole point of click bait is to withhold the relevant information so that you have to click to find it. So you really do have to choose a side.
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  - Talanes 3y ago
    Even one of the parents in the story didn't find the communication method helpful.
  - adammarples 3y ago
    It sounds like you would prefer a reporting system where Status is the priority item. That's totally fine, especially if your child is in danger. I agree! I'm just pointing out that that is not the reporting system offered for consideration in this article, where Status is relegated to second place.

adammarples 3y ago

"I crashed the car" is definitely the punchline, it's what happened. "I'm ok" is reporting your status. "the police are coming" is also status. But if someone just texts to say that they're OK and the police are coming, I still have no idea what's happened.

torstenvl 3y ago
No. You are grossly misinterpreting the point of both the story and this system of communication. You don't need to know what happened. You do need to know your kid is okay. Being so preoccupied with the "story" that you think it's more important than your kid being okay is unconscionable.
- lisper 3y ago
  Sorry, but you are mistaken. From TFA: > 1. Punch line: The facts; no adjectives, adverbs or modifiers. > 2. Current status: How the punch-line statement affects the project. The facts are: I crashed the car. The status is: I'm OK. (The real lesson here is that this methodology is not always a good idea.)
  - torstenvl 3y ago
    I literally do this for a living. You fundamentally misunderstand the principle you're trying to apply. This is HN, not StackOverflow. I encourage you to act in the spirit of intellectual curiosity instead of being self-satisfied with misguided attempts at language lawyering.
    - lisper 3y ago
      > I literally do this for a living. Is that supposed to impress me? Some people do feng shui for a living, or sell homeopathic remedies. Just because someone does something for a living doesn't mean it has any merit. The world is chock-full of wealthy charlatans.
      - torstenvl 3y ago
        You are entitled to your opinion that effective communication has no merit. That reflects more on you than it does on me. In any case, your opinions about specific methodologies in fields toward which you are outright dismissive... are of extremely limited value.
        lisper 3y ago
        > effective communication has no merit Effective by what standard? The titular quip is very effective click bait, and if you make your living attracting clicks then I suppose that has merit. But it fails abysmally by the standard of transmitting information clearly (which is made all the more ironic by the fact that it doesn't even follow the guidelines described in the article). Attracting clicks and communicating clearly are fundamentally at odds because the whole point of click bait is to withhold the relevant information so that you have to click to find it. So you really do have to choose a side.
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- Talanes 3y ago
  Even one of the parents in the story didn't find the communication method helpful.
- adammarples 3y ago
  It sounds like you would prefer a reporting system where Status is the priority item. That's totally fine, especially if your child is in danger. I agree! I'm just pointing out that that is not the reporting system offered for consideration in this article, where Status is relegated to second place.