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Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine war

11 points by miguelazo 3y ago

fullshark 3y ago
The partisan gap is dramatic, seeing the Republican party morph into a populist / anti-globalist party in the age of Trump, with Democrats basically reacting to form a coalition of anti-Trumpers is leading to stuff like this.
- johng 3y ago
  Couldn’t agree more. You have every branch of the government right now doing everything they can to find dirt on Trump and Maga supporters while hiding every dirty deed done by the Biden family. Truly is sad.
  - Justsignedup 3y ago
    Your comment is exactly the problem.. Trump has done some massively illegal things. That is being investigated and the Maga folks are trying to ignore that or suppress it. The Biden stuff is more or less not a major deal. And the one thing that has been harped on, the hunter Biden laptop he has already taken a plea deal with the doj. Point is. The whataboutism is incredibly effective. And it is leading us to look at the rival who we built our entire military economy for as "meh, it's not that important". 1960s America would be foaming out the mouth for such a cheap price to obliterate Russia.
    - undefinedland 3y ago
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    - unnamed76ri 3y ago
      So many things incorrect in this comment and only illustrates how much of a liberal news bubble you seem to exist in. I’ll just take the time to point out one area in which you are incorrect. The Hunter Biden plea deal was rejected by the judge because it was ridiculous and illustrated everything wrong with how the justice dept has approached the Biden family.
    - miguelazo 3y ago
      “Not a major deal”? Why do you think Mitt Romney blocked Telizhenko from testifying in Congress? https://overcast.fm/+s9-WNHf_g https://overcast.fm/+s9-WNHf_g
      - pauldenton 3y ago
        The same reason Democrats blocked Tara Reade and RFK Jr. got censored?
JimtheCoder 3y ago
Well, maybe it would help if the Gov actually demonstrated what the aid already delivered has done in tangible terms, and what a plan to help end this conflict would be? We are just shoveling money and military aid to the Ukraine, but not enough to actually end the conflict - just enough to make it look like we really care...thus perpetuating one of these never-ending conflicts that people are sick and tired of. Just my opinion...
bediger4000 3y ago
Wait, NOW we're supposed to care about ajority? Seems inconsistent with our love of minority rule things like Electoral College, Senate filibuster, the Senate itself, and disproportionate representation in the House. When I see rhetoric about majorities, I've come to suspect it greatly.
beardyw 3y ago
How about people just having personal opinions?
legitster 3y ago
Regardless of where you stand, the current administration has navigated the political waters masterfully. No US troops have been deployed, NATO has done all of the heavy lifting (as it should). Outside of a patriot missile battery and some export-grade Abrams, the vast majority of our contributions has been leftover stockpile from the Middle East. Things that are obsolete and we would have had to pay to dispose of.
- undefinedland 3y ago
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- miguelazo 3y ago
  This is completely delusional. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded, and the country is destroyed. For what? To “weaken Russia”? Pretty cynical if you think that was worth it. Unless you actually believe the nonsense about Putin trying to recreate the Soviet Union or whatever stupid fantasy the blob is peddling these days.
  - legitster 3y ago
    I think you have replied to a wrong comment.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That's Putins own words. Besides, we already have plenty of evidence of this not being delusional: as you say, lots of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded and yet the Russians keep coming. Weakening Russia isn't for NATO's benefit, NATO already borders Russia. It's for Ukraine's benefit first and foremost. Also, I'm quite surprised that you would engage HN in your propaganda efforts.
    - pauldenton 3y ago
      If Putin said the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was incompetent and resulted in unnecessary loss of life and billions of equipment for the Taliban Would that statement be Russian propaganda or the truth?
mutant_glofish 3y ago
Trump has many character defects, but he's undeniably a really funny guy. This reminds me of one of his funniest Tweets [1]: > I hope we never find life on another planet because if we do there's no doubt that the United States will start sending them money! [1]: https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001
endchanted 3y ago
Surveys were obtained July 1-31, 2023 with a representative sample of n=1,279 respondents. By implementation of a full probability design via Address-Based Sampling (ABS), U.S. households were randomly selected to participate and were first reached via mail. Adults ages 18 or older completed the survey via web (n=1160) or phone (n=119). The margin of sampling error for total respondents is +/- 3.7 at the 95% confidence level. The design effect is 1.81. For results among the n=1,047 registered voters, the margin of sampling error is +/- 4.1

11 points by miguelazo 3y ago

The partisan gap is dramatic, seeing the Republican party morph into a populist / anti-globalist party in the age of Trump, with Democrats basically reacting to form a coalition of anti-Trumpers is leading to stuff like this.

johng 3y ago
Couldn’t agree more. You have every branch of the government right now doing everything they can to find dirt on Trump and Maga supporters while hiding every dirty deed done by the Biden family. Truly is sad.
- Justsignedup 3y ago
  Your comment is exactly the problem.. Trump has done some massively illegal things. That is being investigated and the Maga folks are trying to ignore that or suppress it. The Biden stuff is more or less not a major deal. And the one thing that has been harped on, the hunter Biden laptop he has already taken a plea deal with the doj. Point is. The whataboutism is incredibly effective. And it is leading us to look at the rival who we built our entire military economy for as "meh, it's not that important". 1960s America would be foaming out the mouth for such a cheap price to obliterate Russia.
  - undefinedland 3y ago
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  - unnamed76ri 3y ago
    So many things incorrect in this comment and only illustrates how much of a liberal news bubble you seem to exist in. I’ll just take the time to point out one area in which you are incorrect. The Hunter Biden plea deal was rejected by the judge because it was ridiculous and illustrated everything wrong with how the justice dept has approached the Biden family.
  - miguelazo 3y ago
    “Not a major deal”? Why do you think Mitt Romney blocked Telizhenko from testifying in Congress? https://overcast.fm/+s9-WNHf_g https://overcast.fm/+s9-WNHf_g
    - pauldenton 3y ago
      The same reason Democrats blocked Tara Reade and RFK Jr. got censored?

JimtheCoder 3y ago

Well, maybe it would help if the Gov actually demonstrated what the aid already delivered has done in tangible terms, and what a plan to help end this conflict would be? We are just shoveling money and military aid to the Ukraine, but not enough to actually end the conflict - just enough to make it look like we really care...thus perpetuating one of these never-ending conflicts that people are sick and tired of. Just my opinion...

bediger4000 3y ago

Wait, NOW we're supposed to care about ajority? Seems inconsistent with our love of minority rule things like Electoral College, Senate filibuster, the Senate itself, and disproportionate representation in the House. When I see rhetoric about majorities, I've come to suspect it greatly.

beardyw 3y ago

How about people just having personal opinions?

legitster 3y ago

Regardless of where you stand, the current administration has navigated the political waters masterfully. No US troops have been deployed, NATO has done all of the heavy lifting (as it should). Outside of a patriot missile battery and some export-grade Abrams, the vast majority of our contributions has been leftover stockpile from the Middle East. Things that are obsolete and we would have had to pay to dispose of.

undefinedland 3y ago
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miguelazo 3y ago
This is completely delusional. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded, and the country is destroyed. For what? To “weaken Russia”? Pretty cynical if you think that was worth it. Unless you actually believe the nonsense about Putin trying to recreate the Soviet Union or whatever stupid fantasy the blob is peddling these days.
- legitster 3y ago
  I think you have replied to a wrong comment.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  That's Putins own words. Besides, we already have plenty of evidence of this not being delusional: as you say, lots of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded and yet the Russians keep coming. Weakening Russia isn't for NATO's benefit, NATO already borders Russia. It's for Ukraine's benefit first and foremost. Also, I'm quite surprised that you would engage HN in your propaganda efforts.
  - pauldenton 3y ago
    If Putin said the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was incompetent and resulted in unnecessary loss of life and billions of equipment for the Taliban Would that statement be Russian propaganda or the truth?

mutant_glofish 3y ago

Trump has many character defects, but he's undeniably a really funny guy. This reminds me of one of his funniest Tweets [1]: > I hope we never find life on another planet because if we do there's no doubt that the United States will start sending them money! [1]: https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001

endchanted 3y ago

Surveys were obtained July 1-31, 2023 with a representative sample of n=1,279 respondents. By implementation of a full probability design via Address-Based Sampling (ABS), U.S. households were randomly selected to participate and were first reached via mail. Adults ages 18 or older completed the survey via web (n=1160) or phone (n=119). The margin of sampling error for total respondents is +/- 3.7 at the 95% confidence level. The design effect is 1.81. For results among the n=1,047 registered voters, the margin of sampling error is +/- 4.1