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Source please. I don’t see anywhere that they recommend ivermectin. To that end, the problem was never ivermectin anyway. The problem was people buying horse d

by wredue 3y ago

Source please. I don’t see anywhere that they recommend ivermectin. To that end, the problem was never ivermectin anyway. The problem was people buying horse dewormer from vet shops and self medicating. You guys take “hey, maybe don’t self medicate with medication meant for horses cause we don’t even know if this works, let alone what sorts of dosage or anything is safe and adequate” as a personal attack, and then go off the rails over it.

mc32 3y ago
The pushback from the CDC was very strong as well as the media and social media. Physicians were being censored and bullied for saying it was okay or for prescribing it.
- wredue 3y ago
  The problem is that you’re just taking opportunistic stances. >Big pharma is bad, and we should not be pushing drugs that were rushed through approvals This is your position when talking about vaccines, despite the fact that vaccines actually work, and the “rushed” actually just means it skipped months of wait times. >big pharma is good, and we should be needlessly pushing drugs that have not been through efficacy studies just cause This is your stance on ivermectin You’re taking two different stances on the same position depending on what your political hero said. Then you’re posting lies, and when called out on the lies, post more lies. You say that physicians were “being bullied”. But they weren’t. They were being told not to push unproven drugs. That’s not “being bullied”. Physicians were rightfully “being censored” when stating unsubstantiated claimed of efficacy, as the studies don’t support them. Even today, different studies on ivermectin alone produce different results. Yeah. There are studies showing a positive benefit mild cases. But there are also studies showing no difference, and more studies showing zero preventative benefit for becoming serious. That is to say that even today, we don’t have conclusive evidence that ivermectin works. So doctors who declare that it does are lying, and absolutely should have those statement “cancelled”.
- aCoreyJ 3y ago
  No they were being censored and bullied if they believed or led their patients to believe it is an effective treatment. My Uncle had a patient dying yelling he didn't have Covid whose family doctor's only "treatment" was to prescribe them ivermectin. It's not illegal, but I don't want that doctor.
- raarts 3y ago
  I can tell you that in The Netherlands doctors could be (and still can be) fined up to €150.000 if they prescribed HCQ or Ivermectin.
sab24 3y ago
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- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  The article suggests that the FDA has approved ivermectin as a COVID treatment, which is absolutely false. A judge ruled that the FDA cannot interfere with the authority of a physician to prescribe medication to a patient. They could be prescribing aspirin to treat COVID, and the ruling would still apply.
  - sab24 3y ago
    You seem to be right about that the FDA does not yet recommend it as a treatment. However large studies do suggest its effectiveness like for example the study here: https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#!/ https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-iverme...
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      I have several issues with that study, starting with the fact that they left out 63% of the participants for no clear reason, which is even more damning given the fact that the cohort controlled by the authors themselves. Furthermore, their positive results are based on 280 individuals, not the initial sample.
    - wredue 3y ago
      You should immediately be suspect of any “study” that random ass just throws half the people out of it. It’s clear that this was a “fudge the numbers” scenario https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2115869 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2115869 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/ In fact, I cannot find a double blind that supports the use of ivermectin to treat Covid.

by wredue 3y ago

mc32 3y ago

The pushback from the CDC was very strong as well as the media and social media. Physicians were being censored and bullied for saying it was okay or for prescribing it.

wredue 3y ago
The problem is that you’re just taking opportunistic stances. >Big pharma is bad, and we should not be pushing drugs that were rushed through approvals This is your position when talking about vaccines, despite the fact that vaccines actually work, and the “rushed” actually just means it skipped months of wait times. >big pharma is good, and we should be needlessly pushing drugs that have not been through efficacy studies just cause This is your stance on ivermectin You’re taking two different stances on the same position depending on what your political hero said. Then you’re posting lies, and when called out on the lies, post more lies. You say that physicians were “being bullied”. But they weren’t. They were being told not to push unproven drugs. That’s not “being bullied”. Physicians were rightfully “being censored” when stating unsubstantiated claimed of efficacy, as the studies don’t support them. Even today, different studies on ivermectin alone produce different results. Yeah. There are studies showing a positive benefit mild cases. But there are also studies showing no difference, and more studies showing zero preventative benefit for becoming serious. That is to say that even today, we don’t have conclusive evidence that ivermectin works. So doctors who declare that it does are lying, and absolutely should have those statement “cancelled”.
aCoreyJ 3y ago
No they were being censored and bullied if they believed or led their patients to believe it is an effective treatment. My Uncle had a patient dying yelling he didn't have Covid whose family doctor's only "treatment" was to prescribe them ivermectin. It's not illegal, but I don't want that doctor.
raarts 3y ago
I can tell you that in The Netherlands doctors could be (and still can be) fined up to €150.000 if they prescribed HCQ or Ivermectin.

sab24 3y ago

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manuelabeledo 3y ago
The article suggests that the FDA has approved ivermectin as a COVID treatment, which is absolutely false. A judge ruled that the FDA cannot interfere with the authority of a physician to prescribe medication to a patient. They could be prescribing aspirin to treat COVID, and the ruling would still apply.
- sab24 3y ago
  You seem to be right about that the FDA does not yet recommend it as a treatment. However large studies do suggest its effectiveness like for example the study here: https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#!/ https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-iverme...
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    I have several issues with that study, starting with the fact that they left out 63% of the participants for no clear reason, which is even more damning given the fact that the cohort controlled by the authors themselves. Furthermore, their positive results are based on 280 individuals, not the initial sample.
  - wredue 3y ago
    You should immediately be suspect of any “study” that random ass just throws half the people out of it. It’s clear that this was a “fudge the numbers” scenario https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2115869 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2115869 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/ In fact, I cannot find a double blind that supports the use of ivermectin to treat Covid.