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Yes, it is in fact creepy, weird, and objectifying. Men's sense of entitlement to give "compliments" does not supercede women's right to not get creepy, weird,

by junek 3y ago

Yes, it is in fact creepy, weird, and objectifying. Men's sense of entitlement to give "compliments" does not supercede women's right to not get creepy, weird, objectifying comments from creepy weird men.

appplication 3y ago
I’m not going to argue that it’s not perceived as creepy, because I can see that. But your second point is a little off the mark with how you phrased it. No one has a right to not be spoken to. I ride the bus to work. There’s a very large, imposing, but otherwise friendly fellow I frequently run into. He like to strike up a conversation with/at me every time he sees me. He actually will talk to anyone who is near him. It’s annoying and unwanted, but it’s not violating any fundamental rights. I understand where you’re coming from, but no one knows you don’t want to be spoken to until you inform them. And you certainly have a right to do that. It’s just a bit of a slippery slope wrt free speech to imply that someone’s speech infringes on a perceived right to not hear it.
- junek 3y ago
  It's not a matter of not wanting to be spoken to in general, but specifically not wanting creepy, objectifying comments.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Of the kind that say "you have an ideal face"? No wonder there's a loneliness epidemic if people have labelling anything and everything as creepy.
    - junek 3y ago
      Yes, that comment _is_ creepy and objectifying (regarding a woman as an ideal object rather than as a person). If men want to be less lonely then they need to work on treating women as fellow human beings and not acting so entitled.
coldtea 3y ago
In the human world, giving compliments is in itself neither creepy, nor objectifying. Your ideology may vary.
- junek 3y ago
  The example is not simply a compliment, it's an _objectifying_ comment. That's the issue. Try giving a compliment that addresses the person as a human being with real experiences, thoughts, and accomplishments, rather than regarding the person as an object matching some abstract ideal. It's not a matter of ideology, just acting like a decent human being.

by junek 3y ago

appplication 3y ago

I’m not going to argue that it’s not perceived as creepy, because I can see that. But your second point is a little off the mark with how you phrased it. No one has a right to not be spoken to. I ride the bus to work. There’s a very large, imposing, but otherwise friendly fellow I frequently run into. He like to strike up a conversation with/at me every time he sees me. He actually will talk to anyone who is near him. It’s annoying and unwanted, but it’s not violating any fundamental rights. I understand where you’re coming from, but no one knows you don’t want to be spoken to until you inform them. And you certainly have a right to do that. It’s just a bit of a slippery slope wrt free speech to imply that someone’s speech infringes on a perceived right to not hear it.

junek 3y ago
It's not a matter of not wanting to be spoken to in general, but specifically not wanting creepy, objectifying comments.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Of the kind that say "you have an ideal face"? No wonder there's a loneliness epidemic if people have labelling anything and everything as creepy.
  - junek 3y ago
    Yes, that comment _is_ creepy and objectifying (regarding a woman as an ideal object rather than as a person). If men want to be less lonely then they need to work on treating women as fellow human beings and not acting so entitled.

coldtea 3y ago

In the human world, giving compliments is in itself neither creepy, nor objectifying. Your ideology may vary.

junek 3y ago
The example is not simply a compliment, it's an _objectifying_ comment. That's the issue. Try giving a compliment that addresses the person as a human being with real experiences, thoughts, and accomplishments, rather than regarding the person as an object matching some abstract ideal. It's not a matter of ideology, just acting like a decent human being.