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to put into perspective: phd graduants in Germany can earn 48k EUR per year in the beginning. (not every subject but certainly in CS), this is 10 % above averag

to put into perspective: phd graduants in Germany can earn 48k EUR per year in the beginning. (not every subject but certainly in CS), this is 10 % above average income in Germany and definitely decent. And yes, some phd student decided to stay in Germany because of these conditions.

fabian2k 3y ago
CS is a rare exception, the common case is 50-66% of that.
- the_snooze 3y ago
  Yeah, CS PhD students have way more leverage than students in other fields. A CS student can realistically drop out, join industry, and make more than their advisor right out of the gate.
s1artibartfast 3y ago
So about the same as a Harvard grad student? The Graduate students in Germany get food stamps?
- dublinben 3y ago
  Adjusted for local cost of living, the Harvard grad students are much worse off. The median income for Cambridge is $112k, so these grad students are earning around a third of that. Said German grad students are earning more than the area median income.
  - dfadsadsf 3y ago
    If said student is in Munich or Frankfurt his cost of living is very similar to student in Cambridge. Also while Cambridge median is high, 30 min drive gets you to the place where median is less than 50k.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    You also have to ask what the median income is for a 22-year-old in Cambridge and how that compares. It makes no sense to compare someone just starting their career to a median based on people that have been working for probably 20 plus years.
    - pc86 3y ago
      Sure it does. Higher median income in a given area means the costs of nearly everything go up comparably. Look at the cost of living in a place with a six-figure median income and compare that to the cost of living somewhere with a $30k median income. The students have to live there so the cost of living is what matters, not trying to make it look marginally (and artificially) better by excluding people who earn more because they're old.
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        So you're you're saying that every job with 0 years of experience should pay the median for the local? You raise the minimum and you raise the mean. The only time the mean and the minimum can be the same is if everyone is paid the same as the highest earner

fabian2k 3y ago

CS is a rare exception, the common case is 50-66% of that.

the_snooze 3y ago
Yeah, CS PhD students have way more leverage than students in other fields. A CS student can realistically drop out, join industry, and make more than their advisor right out of the gate.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

So about the same as a Harvard grad student? The Graduate students in Germany get food stamps?

dublinben 3y ago
Adjusted for local cost of living, the Harvard grad students are much worse off. The median income for Cambridge is $112k, so these grad students are earning around a third of that. Said German grad students are earning more than the area median income.
- dfadsadsf 3y ago
  If said student is in Munich or Frankfurt his cost of living is very similar to student in Cambridge. Also while Cambridge median is high, 30 min drive gets you to the place where median is less than 50k.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  You also have to ask what the median income is for a 22-year-old in Cambridge and how that compares. It makes no sense to compare someone just starting their career to a median based on people that have been working for probably 20 plus years.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Sure it does. Higher median income in a given area means the costs of nearly everything go up comparably. Look at the cost of living in a place with a six-figure median income and compare that to the cost of living somewhere with a $30k median income. The students have to live there so the cost of living is what matters, not trying to make it look marginally (and artificially) better by excluding people who earn more because they're old.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      So you're you're saying that every job with 0 years of experience should pay the median for the local? You raise the minimum and you raise the mean. The only time the mean and the minimum can be the same is if everyone is paid the same as the highest earner