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I'm curious about the mindset behind your statement. The article you linked is very clearly a political propaganda piece, and I'm not sure what point you're try

I'm curious about the mindset behind your statement. The article you linked is very clearly a political propaganda piece, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with it. Does the local population really see the coal industry as purposely killed off by government, and not an industry that's been long in decline, with the final nail in the coffin being provided by the rapid expansion of natural gas via fracking? https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/what-killing-us-coal-industry https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/what-ki...

RhysU 3y ago
I am making the point that Obama's energy policies were a deliberate, concerted disaster for coal mining far in excess of any gradual market changes. Anecdata, but this was common knowledge in the region at the time. Retroactively, the broader public thinks the industry faded away. But no, it was shived.
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- RhysU 3y ago
  Wow. No one remembers even the NYT coverage of this exact thing https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/us/politics/obama-coal-mining.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/us/politics/obama-coal-mi.... I am not saying anything not agreed to by both parties at the time. The only difference was whether or not a politician cheered it.
  - morelisp 3y ago
    Obama did not "cheer" it and did not kill it. The coal industry had already been dead for years. He was the first president to refuse to commit to continuing the political fiction it wasn't, and to offer an actual alternative. We could have debated the alternative - it had problems! - but instead the argument formed, and still forms, around the outright lie that coal mining could have continued. Even as it was already not employing people anymore!
    - RhysU 3y ago
      My brother-in-law somehow took great care of his family during this period of time via the non-existent employment of which you speak.
      - FireBeyond 3y ago
        I think that you are taking things entirely too literally.

RhysU 3y ago

I am making the point that Obama's energy policies were a deliberate, concerted disaster for coal mining far in excess of any gradual market changes. Anecdata, but this was common knowledge in the region at the time. Retroactively, the broader public thinks the industry faded away. But no, it was shived.

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RhysU 3y ago
Wow. No one remembers even the NYT coverage of this exact thing https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/us/politics/obama-coal-mining.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/us/politics/obama-coal-mi.... I am not saying anything not agreed to by both parties at the time. The only difference was whether or not a politician cheered it.
- morelisp 3y ago
  Obama did not "cheer" it and did not kill it. The coal industry had already been dead for years. He was the first president to refuse to commit to continuing the political fiction it wasn't, and to offer an actual alternative. We could have debated the alternative - it had problems! - but instead the argument formed, and still forms, around the outright lie that coal mining could have continued. Even as it was already not employing people anymore!
  - RhysU 3y ago
    My brother-in-law somehow took great care of his family during this period of time via the non-existent employment of which you speak.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      I think that you are taking things entirely too literally.