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There's a lot of developers who like macs because they do not value control, access or freedom to use their hardware the way they want. If it weren't coming at

There's a lot of developers who like macs because they do not value control, access or freedom to use their hardware the way they want. If it weren't coming at the cost of everyone else in the industry, i wouldn't mind this preference, not everyone has to be a hacker. As is, apple's existence is a net negative.

manfre 3y ago
Alternative take as a dev that only uses Apple products for work, the local hardware doesn't matter that much. We've almost circled back to dumb terminals with everything running on a network connected server.
- Timshel 3y ago
  That's kind of an expensive dumb terminal ;).
  - ta8645 3y ago
    Dumb terminals weren't exactly cheap. The vt220 released in 1983 was about $4000 USD (adjusted for inflation to today). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220
- vkazanov 3y ago
  ...and this is why it shouldn't really matter. I real life, though, having a proper Linux kernel at hand is useful.
- Roark66 3y ago
  To some extent I agree, but it really depends on what you do and for whom. When I asked why this company decided to swap windows for linux (for certain teams) I was told their tools (terraform, python, ssh via cygwin, helm, kubectl etc) would break very frequently with windows updates. So they had to do everything via ssh which isn't that convenient. I've used windows machines for years doing the same thing elsewhere and I had none of these problems. I run cygwin,wsl or a Linux VM and I had everything I wanted locally run on a Windows laptop. Now having a Linux laptop (based on rhel9) many things are really nice. For example: I cun run gui apps via x11 over LAN on my desktop, I can share many dotfiles from my desktop to have the laptop configured exactly how I like it. But there is a price to pay. Unsurprisingly having to use outlook and ms teams via a browser is a pain.
have_faith 3y ago
Peoples preferences are not holding back the industry. If there was a linux laptop with the same hardware and software quality as the recent MBP's I'd get one in an instant. I run linux servers, I'm not unaware of how to set them up but I don't want to deal with the quirks of most linux daily drivers, so I don't. Many linux users seem very bitter that people value Apple's offerings over linux based solutions. That this preference is somehow taking something away from them. I don't think anyone should be looked down upon because they don't value the same things that someone with a hacker/tinkerer mentality values. I think that attitude is partly what puts a lot of people off who are half in/half out of the ecosystem. I personally find it a bit tiring, and in general I'm supportive of open source and related things.
- pastage 3y ago
  There are very few people that think this way, but this opinion is often project on people. Bicyclists are bitter, environmentalists are bitter, islamist are bitter, Luther was bitter. That kind of projection is just your and their resistant for change. What is common though is having to use tools you are not used to or tools that are subpar e.g. a Mac. You as a Mac user might call that being bitter. It is like forcing an Excel jockey to only use OpenOffice. Those people turn bitter fast.

manfre 3y ago

Alternative take as a dev that only uses Apple products for work, the local hardware doesn't matter that much. We've almost circled back to dumb terminals with everything running on a network connected server.

Timshel 3y ago
That's kind of an expensive dumb terminal ;).
- ta8645 3y ago
  Dumb terminals weren't exactly cheap. The vt220 released in 1983 was about $4000 USD (adjusted for inflation to today). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220
vkazanov 3y ago
...and this is why it shouldn't really matter. I real life, though, having a proper Linux kernel at hand is useful.
Roark66 3y ago
To some extent I agree, but it really depends on what you do and for whom. When I asked why this company decided to swap windows for linux (for certain teams) I was told their tools (terraform, python, ssh via cygwin, helm, kubectl etc) would break very frequently with windows updates. So they had to do everything via ssh which isn't that convenient. I've used windows machines for years doing the same thing elsewhere and I had none of these problems. I run cygwin,wsl or a Linux VM and I had everything I wanted locally run on a Windows laptop. Now having a Linux laptop (based on rhel9) many things are really nice. For example: I cun run gui apps via x11 over LAN on my desktop, I can share many dotfiles from my desktop to have the laptop configured exactly how I like it. But there is a price to pay. Unsurprisingly having to use outlook and ms teams via a browser is a pain.

have_faith 3y ago

Peoples preferences are not holding back the industry. If there was a linux laptop with the same hardware and software quality as the recent MBP's I'd get one in an instant. I run linux servers, I'm not unaware of how to set them up but I don't want to deal with the quirks of most linux daily drivers, so I don't. Many linux users seem very bitter that people value Apple's offerings over linux based solutions. That this preference is somehow taking something away from them. I don't think anyone should be looked down upon because they don't value the same things that someone with a hacker/tinkerer mentality values. I think that attitude is partly what puts a lot of people off who are half in/half out of the ecosystem. I personally find it a bit tiring, and in general I'm supportive of open source and related things.

pastage 3y ago
There are very few people that think this way, but this opinion is often project on people. Bicyclists are bitter, environmentalists are bitter, islamist are bitter, Luther was bitter. That kind of projection is just your and their resistant for change. What is common though is having to use tools you are not used to or tools that are subpar e.g. a Mac. You as a Mac user might call that being bitter. It is like forcing an Excel jockey to only use OpenOffice. Those people turn bitter fast.