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Why can’t Boeing do software? What is going on? I feel like these FCS issues simply weren’t happening pre-2010.

by itisit 3y ago

bottled_poe 3y ago
Why did they shift away from Ada? It seems Boeing’s avionics systems had far fewer incidents before they started adopting other languages.
- Shawnj2 3y ago
  What are they using now?
  - nesarkvechnep 3y ago
    Node
    - Shawnj2 3y ago
      As in Node.js or something else? I don’t know what the 787 uses but I do know that it is not node.js
      - fendy3002 3y ago
        Exactly, we'll already hear 787s crashes all over if they're using node. I like node, but they'll be stupid to use it for aviation instrument software.
        Shawnj2 3y ago
        The bigger issue is that a lot of the microcontrollers in the 797 probably can’t even run JavaScript lol
        Yasuraka 3y ago
        >issue Sounds like a critical safety feature to me
        Shawnj2 3y ago
        There’s critical safety, and then there’s not even being able to do something Like just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, but if you are not able to can then you are also not able to should
  - Jtsummers 3y ago
    They've been using multiple languages for a long time and were, as far as I can find, never exclusively using Ada. At least with the 787 the language choices we (subcontractor) had were Ada, C, and C++.
    - Shawnj2 3y ago
      I’m guessing you picked C++ out of those options?
      - Jtsummers 3y ago
        I didn't, but yes it was the one chosen before I got there.
sharts 3y ago
Probably similar reasons to why IOT companies can’t do security. Why use best practices from other industries when you can re-invent things?
carabiner 3y ago
All of the strongest SWEs at Boeing got sucked away to FAANG in Seattle for 2-3x TC. Check them out on LinkedIn... there's been a steady brain drain to those companies for many years. Some were even early Amazon employees. It's crazy to realize Boeing had "big data" at the time when Amazon was still a startup.

Why can’t Boeing do software? What is going on? I feel like these FCS issues simply weren’t happening pre-2010.

by itisit 3y ago

Why can’t Boeing do software? What is going on? I feel like these FCS issues simply weren’t happening pre-2010.

Why did they shift away from Ada? It seems Boeing’s avionics systems had far fewer incidents before they started adopting other languages.

Shawnj2 3y ago
What are they using now?
- nesarkvechnep 3y ago
  Node
  - Shawnj2 3y ago
    As in Node.js or something else? I don’t know what the 787 uses but I do know that it is not node.js
    - fendy3002 3y ago
      Exactly, we'll already hear 787s crashes all over if they're using node. I like node, but they'll be stupid to use it for aviation instrument software.
      - Shawnj2 3y ago
        The bigger issue is that a lot of the microcontrollers in the 797 probably can’t even run JavaScript lol
        Yasuraka 3y ago
        >issue Sounds like a critical safety feature to me
        Shawnj2 3y ago
        There’s critical safety, and then there’s not even being able to do something Like just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, but if you are not able to can then you are also not able to should
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  They've been using multiple languages for a long time and were, as far as I can find, never exclusively using Ada. At least with the 787 the language choices we (subcontractor) had were Ada, C, and C++.
  - Shawnj2 3y ago
    I’m guessing you picked C++ out of those options?
    - Jtsummers 3y ago
      I didn't, but yes it was the one chosen before I got there.

sharts 3y ago

Probably similar reasons to why IOT companies can’t do security. Why use best practices from other industries when you can re-invent things?

carabiner 3y ago

All of the strongest SWEs at Boeing got sucked away to FAANG in Seattle for 2-3x TC. Check them out on LinkedIn... there's been a steady brain drain to those companies for many years. Some were even early Amazon employees. It's crazy to realize Boeing had "big data" at the time when Amazon was still a startup.