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Why do you think they should be free of consequences for their actions?

by gochi 3y ago

monero-xmr 3y ago
In a world where there are only 2 political parties, and supporting the wrong one is life-destroying, the only way to win is not to play. It is unfortunate.
- xqcgrek2 3y ago
  A lot of people are in this situation.
- stonogo 3y ago
  Are we talking about the same country? Supporting a specific party is "life-destroying"? Tell me, is it the one in control of the House or the one in control of the Senate?
  - xqcgrek2 3y ago
    It is definitely life-destroying if one is wedded to a specific industry or academia. Certainly career ending for some jobs.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
      "I want to work in field X, and I believe Y" "But most people in field X believe that Y is crazy talk, and there's literature going back 127 years explaining why they have come to that conclusion" "Sure, but they won't be nice to me if I try to work in field X" "Right, but that's because they believe, and can explain why, they think you're crazy" "They are destroying my life".
      - hotdogscout 3y ago
        You greatly exaggerated how rational leftists or religious people are. (DAE do "cancelling"?). I've attended classes as a listener where the professor was lecturing about how attempts to go to space are just modern equivalents of racist White Colonialism. I don't think there's a limit to how stupid people in supposedly high positions in society can be.
        PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
        It's not the contents of a belief that makes it ridiculous. It's the behavior of the person espousing the belief. I can imagine an entirely rational and quite deep argument regarding whether or not attempts to go to space are just modern equivalents of White Colonialism. And I might not agree with one or all sides of such an argument, but they are not prima facie ridiculous. What makes them ridiculous is a failure to engage with counter-points, a failure to grapple with reasonably established facts that conflict with the stated position, and a failure to engage in falsification (i.e. "well, if X and Y, then clearly my position would be wrong"). Someone who can do those things on behalf of their stated position deserves respect, but someone who cannot deserves much less.

Why do you think they should be free of consequences for their actions?

by gochi 3y ago

Why do you think they should be free of consequences for their actions?

In a world where there are only 2 political parties, and supporting the wrong one is life-destroying, the only way to win is not to play. It is unfortunate.

xqcgrek2 3y ago
A lot of people are in this situation.
stonogo 3y ago
Are we talking about the same country? Supporting a specific party is "life-destroying"? Tell me, is it the one in control of the House or the one in control of the Senate?
- xqcgrek2 3y ago
  It is definitely life-destroying if one is wedded to a specific industry or academia. Certainly career ending for some jobs.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    "I want to work in field X, and I believe Y" "But most people in field X believe that Y is crazy talk, and there's literature going back 127 years explaining why they have come to that conclusion" "Sure, but they won't be nice to me if I try to work in field X" "Right, but that's because they believe, and can explain why, they think you're crazy" "They are destroying my life".
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      You greatly exaggerated how rational leftists or religious people are. (DAE do "cancelling"?). I've attended classes as a listener where the professor was lecturing about how attempts to go to space are just modern equivalents of racist White Colonialism. I don't think there's a limit to how stupid people in supposedly high positions in society can be.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
        It's not the contents of a belief that makes it ridiculous. It's the behavior of the person espousing the belief. I can imagine an entirely rational and quite deep argument regarding whether or not attempts to go to space are just modern equivalents of White Colonialism. And I might not agree with one or all sides of such an argument, but they are not prima facie ridiculous. What makes them ridiculous is a failure to engage with counter-points, a failure to grapple with reasonably established facts that conflict with the stated position, and a failure to engage in falsification (i.e. "well, if X and Y, then clearly my position would be wrong"). Someone who can do those things on behalf of their stated position deserves respect, but someone who cannot deserves much less.