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He didn't flee to Russia. He got stuck in Russia due to US revoking his passport.

by arianvanp 3y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
He shouldn't have fled anywhere. Why did the US revoke his passport?
- int_19h 3y ago
  So you wanted him to become a martyr on top of exposing the crimes to prove... what exactly?
- 9dev 3y ago
  The USA have initiated one of the biggest denouncement campaigns in its very history against this man. Nobody sane would have not fled in that situation.
0xDEF 3y ago
The goal was always to get into either China or Russia. They are the only geopolitical heavyweights that wouldn't have folded like Ecuador did with Assange. It's amazing how the "American whistleblower randomly ended up in Russia during transit" revisionism is being pushed.
- dijit 3y ago
  You’re the only person claiming this, Snowden himself has said the opposite in 2014, on record.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    Why do you take the words of Snowden as gospel?
    - dijit 3y ago
      > 2OEH8eoCRo0 0 minutes ago > Why do you take the words of Snowden as gospel? I am not sure who could possibly be more of an authority on the intentions of Snowden than Snowden himself. I mean if he: * says he was on his way to Latin America * was in an airport transit zone for a short length of time before; * having his passport revoked (which he couldn't control), and; * after applying for asylum in latin american countries, and also notably; * had not applied for asylum in Russia (or China). Yeah, I kinda take his word for it that he knew where he wanted to go. Here is my original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37095083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37095083
- sudosysgen 3y ago
  Ecuador folded because Assange was inside the embassy, in what ultimately is UK soil. There was no way, when push came to shove, to prevent him from being captured. If Assange was in Ecuador proper, they might not have folded, or he might have been able to leave Ecuador for, say, Cuba before the hammer dropped. I imagine this was Snowden's plan since he wanted to go to Cuba, Ecuador, or Venezuela. If he wanted to stay in Russia he wouldn't even have noticed his passport being deactivated, and if he wanted to go to China, he would have went to Shenzhen from Hong Kong instead of going to Russia first.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-assange-smeared-his-feces-on-ecuadorian-embassys-walls-president-says/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-assange-smeared-his-f... Maybe they were tired of him smearing shit on the walls of their embassy.
    - kobalsky 3y ago
      don't you find it too convenient that the journalist the US want to annihilate happens to be a poop-smearing rapist ungrateful douchebag?
  - anticensor 3y ago
    > . If he wanted to stay in Russia he wouldn't even have noticed his passport being deactivated, Unlike the US, Russia requires one to carry an ID.
    - int_19h 3y ago
      In theory, it does. In practice, pretty nobody actually does this, because it's largely unenforced, and on the other hand, nobody wants to lose their internal passport and have to go through the headache of replacing it. Losing your international passport as a non-citizen would be even worse.
    - sudosysgen 3y ago
      A cop on the street isn't going to check whether your passport was or wasn't revoked (and in fact simply can't). You would only notice that at the airport. And he did in fact claim that he noticed this in the airport, when trying to leave Russia.
- Shekelphile 3y ago
  It’s actually worse than that. He was forced there by Sarah Harrison and Assange.

He didn't flee to Russia. He got stuck in Russia due to US revoking his passport.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

He shouldn't have fled anywhere. Why did the US revoke his passport?

int_19h 3y ago
So you wanted him to become a martyr on top of exposing the crimes to prove... what exactly?
9dev 3y ago
The USA have initiated one of the biggest denouncement campaigns in its very history against this man. Nobody sane would have not fled in that situation.

0xDEF 3y ago

The goal was always to get into either China or Russia. They are the only geopolitical heavyweights that wouldn't have folded like Ecuador did with Assange. It's amazing how the "American whistleblower randomly ended up in Russia during transit" revisionism is being pushed.

dijit 3y ago
You’re the only person claiming this, Snowden himself has said the opposite in 2014, on record.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  Why do you take the words of Snowden as gospel?
  - dijit 3y ago
    > 2OEH8eoCRo0 0 minutes ago > Why do you take the words of Snowden as gospel? I am not sure who could possibly be more of an authority on the intentions of Snowden than Snowden himself. I mean if he: * says he was on his way to Latin America * was in an airport transit zone for a short length of time before; * having his passport revoked (which he couldn't control), and; * after applying for asylum in latin american countries, and also notably; * had not applied for asylum in Russia (or China). Yeah, I kinda take his word for it that he knew where he wanted to go. Here is my original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37095083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37095083
sudosysgen 3y ago
Ecuador folded because Assange was inside the embassy, in what ultimately is UK soil. There was no way, when push came to shove, to prevent him from being captured. If Assange was in Ecuador proper, they might not have folded, or he might have been able to leave Ecuador for, say, Cuba before the hammer dropped. I imagine this was Snowden's plan since he wanted to go to Cuba, Ecuador, or Venezuela. If he wanted to stay in Russia he wouldn't even have noticed his passport being deactivated, and if he wanted to go to China, he would have went to Shenzhen from Hong Kong instead of going to Russia first.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-assange-smeared-his-feces-on-ecuadorian-embassys-walls-president-says/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-assange-smeared-his-f... Maybe they were tired of him smearing shit on the walls of their embassy.
  - kobalsky 3y ago
    don't you find it too convenient that the journalist the US want to annihilate happens to be a poop-smearing rapist ungrateful douchebag?
- anticensor 3y ago
  > . If he wanted to stay in Russia he wouldn't even have noticed his passport being deactivated, Unlike the US, Russia requires one to carry an ID.
  - int_19h 3y ago
    In theory, it does. In practice, pretty nobody actually does this, because it's largely unenforced, and on the other hand, nobody wants to lose their internal passport and have to go through the headache of replacing it. Losing your international passport as a non-citizen would be even worse.
  - sudosysgen 3y ago
    A cop on the street isn't going to check whether your passport was or wasn't revoked (and in fact simply can't). You would only notice that at the airport. And he did in fact claim that he noticed this in the airport, when trying to leave Russia.
Shekelphile 3y ago
It’s actually worse than that. He was forced there by Sarah Harrison and Assange.