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you just did this mindless form of character assassination... let's focus on the crimes they both uncovered. please.

by kome 3y ago

Terr_ 3y ago
> let's focus on the crimes they both uncovered. please. Well, since you phrase it that way, sure: * Snowden uncovered mass-surveillance programs and intelligence agencies lying to congress. * Manning uncovered Iraq War records, such as a helicopter attacking civilians. * Assange uncovered... What? What pieces of information do you specifically credit to Assange which puts him in the same position as those first two whistleblowers?
- celtoid 3y ago
  > "Assange uncovered... What?" According to The New York Times, the Guardian, Le Monde, El Pais and DER SPIEGEL, Assange exposed the corruption of the US State Department. This is apart from his exposing the war crimes committed by the US military in Iraq [1]. "Cable gate”, a set of 251,000 confidential cables from the US State Department disclosed corruption, diplomatic scandals and spy affairs on an international scale." [0] [0] https://www.nytco.com/press/an-open-letter-from-editors-and-publishers-publishing-is-not-a-crime/ https://www.nytco.com/press/an-open-letter-from-editors-and-... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    Why are you taking credit from Chelsea Manning and giving it to Julian Assange? Maybe I wasn't explicit enough: Assange is categorically not a whistleblower, but rather a publicist at best, figurehead at worst. Other people did the important uncovering, putting themselves in far more legal jeopardy.
    - celtoid 3y ago
      > "putting themselves in far more legal jeopardy." I have to disagree. The US govt and its national security state have done a pretty good job of persecuting Manning, Assange and Snowden alike albeit in differing ways.
      - zirgs 3y ago
        1. Manning is already free. 2. Snowden fled to Russia 3. Assange hasn't even been to the USA yet and he imprisoned himself for almost a decade in that embassy.
        tmoehle 3y ago
        Snowden did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to Berlin with a stop in Moscow, but before he was able to board the plane (if I remember correctly even before his plane landed in Moscow) the US revoked his passport so he couldn’t get on the plane to Berlin. It was not his choice to be stranded there.
        zirgs 3y ago
        I think that those stories about him "being stranded" are bullshit and he always intended to flee to Russia. Flying to Berlin doesn't make sense. Germany is a NATO member and a US ally. He'd be extradited ASAP.
        knorker 3y ago
        The US really did revoke his passport. You're saying the US government helped Snowden cover up his plans? That's some lizard people level conspiracy theory you got there.
        zirgs 3y ago
        Yes, his passport was revoked - but now he has another one and he's still in Russia. As far as I know Russian citizens can travel to other countries.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  Your question makes no sense. Assange is the one who published Manning's leaks. That's precisely why the US is trying to put him behind bars for 175 years.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Manning has already been released from prison.
- ekianjo 3y ago
  > Manning uncovered Iraq War records, such as a helicopter gunning down civilians for no reason Ftfy

you just did this mindless form of character assassination... let's focus on the crimes they both uncovered. please.

by kome 3y ago

you just did this mindless form of character assassination... let's focus on the crimes they both uncovered. please.

> let's focus on the crimes they both uncovered. please. Well, since you phrase it that way, sure: * Snowden uncovered mass-surveillance programs and intelligence agencies lying to congress. * Manning uncovered Iraq War records, such as a helicopter attacking civilians. * Assange uncovered... What? What pieces of information do you specifically credit to Assange which puts him in the same position as those first two whistleblowers?

celtoid 3y ago
> "Assange uncovered... What?" According to The New York Times, the Guardian, Le Monde, El Pais and DER SPIEGEL, Assange exposed the corruption of the US State Department. This is apart from his exposing the war crimes committed by the US military in Iraq [1]. "Cable gate”, a set of 251,000 confidential cables from the US State Department disclosed corruption, diplomatic scandals and spy affairs on an international scale." [0] [0] https://www.nytco.com/press/an-open-letter-from-editors-and-publishers-publishing-is-not-a-crime/ https://www.nytco.com/press/an-open-letter-from-editors-and-... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Why are you taking credit from Chelsea Manning and giving it to Julian Assange? Maybe I wasn't explicit enough: Assange is categorically not a whistleblower, but rather a publicist at best, figurehead at worst. Other people did the important uncovering, putting themselves in far more legal jeopardy.
  - celtoid 3y ago
    > "putting themselves in far more legal jeopardy." I have to disagree. The US govt and its national security state have done a pretty good job of persecuting Manning, Assange and Snowden alike albeit in differing ways.
    - zirgs 3y ago
      1. Manning is already free. 2. Snowden fled to Russia 3. Assange hasn't even been to the USA yet and he imprisoned himself for almost a decade in that embassy.
      - tmoehle 3y ago
        Snowden did not flee to Russia. He was on his way to Berlin with a stop in Moscow, but before he was able to board the plane (if I remember correctly even before his plane landed in Moscow) the US revoked his passport so he couldn’t get on the plane to Berlin. It was not his choice to be stranded there.
        zirgs 3y ago
        I think that those stories about him "being stranded" are bullshit and he always intended to flee to Russia. Flying to Berlin doesn't make sense. Germany is a NATO member and a US ally. He'd be extradited ASAP.
        knorker 3y ago
        The US really did revoke his passport. You're saying the US government helped Snowden cover up his plans? That's some lizard people level conspiracy theory you got there.
        zirgs 3y ago
        Yes, his passport was revoked - but now he has another one and he's still in Russia. As far as I know Russian citizens can travel to other countries.
DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
Your question makes no sense. Assange is the one who published Manning's leaks. That's precisely why the US is trying to put him behind bars for 175 years.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Manning has already been released from prison.
ekianjo 3y ago
> Manning uncovered Iraq War records, such as a helicopter gunning down civilians for no reason Ftfy