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At this point I don't think it matters -- if Google wants to do it, they'll do it. :/
by t3rabytes 3y ago
At this point I don't think it matters -- if Google wants to do it, they'll do it. :/
- wkat4242 3y agoWell, outcry does help. It did manage to nip FLoC in the bud.
- ocdtrekkie 3y agoNot really, it just got rebranded as the Topics API and is still, as far as I know, being pushed into Chrome.
- krono 3y agoEternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
- nerdponx 3y agoI just got a topics intro popup on my work computer the other day. One of many many other reasons I'm happy I use Firefox at home.
- wkat4242 3y agoI don't really agree. Topics are materially different from FLoC. Especially in the way of moving it from a shady background activity into something the user can interact with. Also, nobody really gives a shit about it. WEI could break adblockers and that would be a huge issue.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y agoAnd Google wanted WebM to happen and for people to pay full-retail price for rented games. Google isn't (yet) big enough to force it through: given iOS marketshare in the US it means web-app devs won't (can't?) do anything unless both Apple and Google adopt it (yes, there are plenty of Chrome-only websites, and Safari has been slow to adopt new web-standards, especially when they begin to tread on the toes of Apple's App Store (PWAs, WebUSB, etc). ---- That said, I am sympathetic to the reasons why orgs like banks want things like remote-device attestation (and am less sympathetic to the likes of the MPAA, etc) - it is unfortunate that better ideas are hard to come by.
- troupo 3y ago> Safari has been slow to adopt new web-standards, especially when they begin to tread on the toes of Apple's App Store (PWAs, WebUSB, etc). Many of those are not "new web standards". Those are Chrome-only non-standards, and Firefox agrees with Safari on most of them. As for PWAs, there's no such thing as a single PWA standard, and Safari has supported the vast majority of the PWA standards for years (but if you point that out, the goalposts of what constitutes a PWA shift faster than superheated plasma).
- AlexErrant 3y agoI'd just be happy with Safari having a functional IndexedDB - an old web standard. https://gist.github.com/pesterhazy/4de96193af89a6dd5ce682ce2adff49a https://gist.github.com/pesterhazy/4de96193af89a6dd5ce682ce2...
- tw061023 3y agoHow critical that is, compared to WEI - and more broad problem adopting it entails, namely a single company basically dictating the whole web what it can and cannot do?
- threeseed 3y agoReading through that page it looks like a combination of Safari (a) prioritising privacy and performance and (b) not implementing draft specs. With a whole bunch of bugs that have already been fixed.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y agoIndexedDB's API design is one of the worst I've ever seen (next to the original JS document.cookies "API") Fortunately, Safari does support OPFS ( https://stackoverflow.com/a/71581910/159145 https://stackoverflow.com/a/71581910/159145 ) so provided you don't need all of IndexedDB's features and just need an async blob store for large blobs/files/etc (potentially gigabytes and beyond) then OPFS should work for you.
- crazysim 3y ago
- skybrian 3y agoThis is true in the sense that Google is running an experiment (an "origin trial") and they didn't need anyone's permission to do that. (None of the other browser vendors need to get permission to run an experiment either.) That's different from making it a web standard. They will want cooperation from other browser vendors (not random people on the Internet) for that. I doubt they'll make a serious effort at convincing anyone of anything until they decide what they want to do, which will be based on the results of the experiment.