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He had also been using a VPN to "watch sports" but the VPN was registered and located in the Bahamas. And had tried to offer a witness a "bag of cash."

cma 3y ago
All perfectly ethical if it can reduce shrimp suffering on a population basis by getting him free and able to buy a tank and as many sea monkies as possible to provide positive micro utility to each and every one.
- choppaface 3y ago
  I never thought of it that way, but SBF is certainly mission-driven in some way. He even remembered to remove his shoe laces before the cops took him into custody.
CobrastanJorji 3y ago
Wait, doesn't using a VPN to watch sports imply that you are violating the terms of agreement for some website? Is that a reasonable argument you could make in a court?
- danso 3y ago
  The judge cites this as a compelling reason to throw SBF in jail: > Judge Kaplan: This defendant tries to go right up to the line - his use of the VPN to watch a football game over an account he wasn't authorized, there it is.. > Judge Kaplan: He subscribed from the Bahamas and used a VPN as if he were in the Bahamas when he was in Palo Alto and could have watched it on public TV. It shows the mindset. All things considered I am going to revoke bail. https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1690080018565627904 https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/169008001856562790...
  - jamiek88 3y ago
    >it shows the mindset… Ex-fucking-xactly. The law is not code and judges ain’t linters. Playing the legal equivalent of ‘not touching you, can’t get mad’ and pushing the line when you are already being given a privilege of bail is a bad idea.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Wait, doesn't using a VPN to watch sports imply that you are violating the terms of agreement for some website? No, unless the terms prohibit VPN use. > Is that a reasonable argument you could make in a court? Even if it were a civil offense against the website owner in question, yes, it would be a reasonable argument to make in court in a hearing over adherence to your bail conditions if it wasn't a violation of your bail conditions (which generally include “don’t commit any crimes” as well as any special conditions, but generally don't include “don’t commit any torts”.)
verteu 3y ago
I don't think SBF ever offered a witness a "bag of cash". The only reference to the phrase I can find is [1], where SBF's lawyer appears to be contrasting the case with another that has been submitted for reference/comparison: [SBF's lawyer Mark] Cohen: In one of the cases, the defendant offered a bag of cash to the witness. We don't have that here. [1] https://matthewrussellleeicp.substack.com/p/extra-bankman-fried-bail-revoked https://matthewrussellleeicp.substack.com/p/extra-bankman-fr...

cma 3y ago

All perfectly ethical if it can reduce shrimp suffering on a population basis by getting him free and able to buy a tank and as many sea monkies as possible to provide positive micro utility to each and every one.

choppaface 3y ago
I never thought of it that way, but SBF is certainly mission-driven in some way. He even remembered to remove his shoe laces before the cops took him into custody.

CobrastanJorji 3y ago

Wait, doesn't using a VPN to watch sports imply that you are violating the terms of agreement for some website? Is that a reasonable argument you could make in a court?

danso 3y ago
The judge cites this as a compelling reason to throw SBF in jail: > Judge Kaplan: This defendant tries to go right up to the line - his use of the VPN to watch a football game over an account he wasn't authorized, there it is.. > Judge Kaplan: He subscribed from the Bahamas and used a VPN as if he were in the Bahamas when he was in Palo Alto and could have watched it on public TV. It shows the mindset. All things considered I am going to revoke bail. https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1690080018565627904 https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/169008001856562790...
- jamiek88 3y ago
  >it shows the mindset… Ex-fucking-xactly. The law is not code and judges ain’t linters. Playing the legal equivalent of ‘not touching you, can’t get mad’ and pushing the line when you are already being given a privilege of bail is a bad idea.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Wait, doesn't using a VPN to watch sports imply that you are violating the terms of agreement for some website? No, unless the terms prohibit VPN use. > Is that a reasonable argument you could make in a court? Even if it were a civil offense against the website owner in question, yes, it would be a reasonable argument to make in court in a hearing over adherence to your bail conditions if it wasn't a violation of your bail conditions (which generally include “don’t commit any crimes” as well as any special conditions, but generally don't include “don’t commit any torts”.)

verteu 3y ago

I don't think SBF ever offered a witness a "bag of cash". The only reference to the phrase I can find is [1], where SBF's lawyer appears to be contrasting the case with another that has been submitted for reference/comparison: [SBF's lawyer Mark] Cohen: In one of the cases, the defendant offered a bag of cash to the witness. We don't have that here. [1] https://matthewrussellleeicp.substack.com/p/extra-bankman-fried-bail-revoked https://matthewrussellleeicp.substack.com/p/extra-bankman-fr...