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Not really. Cigarettes were forced to cover, like, 40% of their box with warnings about their ability to cause cancer, harm fertility, and impair breathing cap

Not really. Cigarettes were forced to cover, like, 40% of their box with warnings about their ability to cause cancer, harm fertility, and impair breathing capacity. The FDA strictly regulates what medicines, as well as unapproved medicinal products, are allowed to say on their box. Multivitamin? You can say it supports health, but not that it improves health. General electronics? You'd better have that FCC logo on it, showing that it was tested and certified, if it has any wireless radios in it. And if you're in Europe, CE belongs on basically everything. Fireplaces? Anything with fire? Plumbing? Power conversion? Power delivery? Better have a certification from a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL), like UL or CSA. Why are websites of any kind unique? In principle, the government can compel speech on products.

Guvante 3y ago
Why do you assume your examples didn't pass the high bar I mentioned? Don't pretend that the cigarette labeling was as simple as this bill. That was an incredibly complex process that took decades. Restricting what can be said is not the same as forcing speech. (This is in reference to your FDA comment which is a different topic) You added more examples all of which have significant effort and legal backing to their enforcement. Most notably most of those examples come from working with the industry to create standards for safety. All of them were developed working with the impacted industries and had solid justifications for why the labelling requirement is needed. Especially anything involving natural gas. If you fuck up the natural gas line going into your house that doesn't just impact you it impacts anyone within several hundred yards of your house. Similarly electrical requirements are either the federal government giving away access to a public good (frequencies of light for exclusive use) in exchange for certain restrictions on devices or electrical things that are quite dangerous again. Actual proven safety is different than "I decided it was harmful" and pretending that they are the same is ignorant at best.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  > Restricting what can be said is not the same as forcing speech. Well, it's awfully creative of you to frame warnings, that manufacturers are forced to print, as a "restriction" of speech. Edit: The above paragraph was expanded by 2/3s since I wrote this comment. I have no interest in responding further.
  - Guvante 3y ago
    FDA saying "don't lie that you improve things without proof" is a restriction

Guvante 3y ago

Why do you assume your examples didn't pass the high bar I mentioned? Don't pretend that the cigarette labeling was as simple as this bill. That was an incredibly complex process that took decades. Restricting what can be said is not the same as forcing speech. (This is in reference to your FDA comment which is a different topic) You added more examples all of which have significant effort and legal backing to their enforcement. Most notably most of those examples come from working with the industry to create standards for safety. All of them were developed working with the impacted industries and had solid justifications for why the labelling requirement is needed. Especially anything involving natural gas. If you fuck up the natural gas line going into your house that doesn't just impact you it impacts anyone within several hundred yards of your house. Similarly electrical requirements are either the federal government giving away access to a public good (frequencies of light for exclusive use) in exchange for certain restrictions on devices or electrical things that are quite dangerous again. Actual proven safety is different than "I decided it was harmful" and pretending that they are the same is ignorant at best.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
> Restricting what can be said is not the same as forcing speech. Well, it's awfully creative of you to frame warnings, that manufacturers are forced to print, as a "restriction" of speech. Edit: The above paragraph was expanded by 2/3s since I wrote this comment. I have no interest in responding further.
- Guvante 3y ago
  FDA saying "don't lie that you improve things without proof" is a restriction