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> People get so pissy about mozilla pissing away a few dollars here and there It’s more than a few dollars. For years now, the majority of the Mozilla Foundati

> People get so pissy about mozilla pissing away a few dollars here and there It’s more than a few dollars. For years now, the majority of the Mozilla Foundation’s income goes to things other than developing Firefox.

mrguyorama 3y ago
Yes, mozilla is desperate to diversify income so google can't shut them down, and if you are a manager who can usefully direct improvements and plans for a web browser project, google can afford to pay you basically any dollar amount to keep you out of the hands of mozilla, so they probably don't have stellar management. Meanwhile firefox works well, is plenty performant, and isn't pushing "standards" that try to make it easier to advertise to me, against my wishes. Why would you use the browser made by an advertising company instead?
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Yours is a false dilemma. Being aghast at Mozilla’s non-profit mismanagement does not mean that one is using any other browser. A lot of us here are using Firefox but hoping and praying that the Foundation will be called to account or development will be taken over by some more benevolent and competent force.
  - asu_thomas 3y ago
    Your efforts come across as facile to me. You're wanting a democratic organization, or at least one capable of acting in the interests of the consumers despite the fact that more consumers does not necessarily benefit the organization. This is an unrealistic expectation given the political economic circumstances, being those of late-stage capitalism. Even the most benevolent leader is constrained by their circumstances and hard power. You cannot resolve this through the consumer marketplace; you need to engage in politics one way or another.
    - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
      Look, I’ve only seen two comments from you (with your very new account), but both of them are trying to introduce an element of political battle beyond the subject of discussion here. Not interested, sorry.
dralley 3y ago
>the majority of the Mozilla Foundation’s income The Mozilla "Foundation" does not develop Firefox at all. In fact they cannot do so. Because that would be tantamount to a nonprofit devoting resources towards the service of a for-profit business.

mrguyorama 3y ago

Yes, mozilla is desperate to diversify income so google can't shut them down, and if you are a manager who can usefully direct improvements and plans for a web browser project, google can afford to pay you basically any dollar amount to keep you out of the hands of mozilla, so they probably don't have stellar management. Meanwhile firefox works well, is plenty performant, and isn't pushing "standards" that try to make it easier to advertise to me, against my wishes. Why would you use the browser made by an advertising company instead?

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Yours is a false dilemma. Being aghast at Mozilla’s non-profit mismanagement does not mean that one is using any other browser. A lot of us here are using Firefox but hoping and praying that the Foundation will be called to account or development will be taken over by some more benevolent and competent force.
- asu_thomas 3y ago
  Your efforts come across as facile to me. You're wanting a democratic organization, or at least one capable of acting in the interests of the consumers despite the fact that more consumers does not necessarily benefit the organization. This is an unrealistic expectation given the political economic circumstances, being those of late-stage capitalism. Even the most benevolent leader is constrained by their circumstances and hard power. You cannot resolve this through the consumer marketplace; you need to engage in politics one way or another.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    Look, I’ve only seen two comments from you (with your very new account), but both of them are trying to introduce an element of political battle beyond the subject of discussion here. Not interested, sorry.

dralley 3y ago

>the majority of the Mozilla Foundation’s income The Mozilla "Foundation" does not develop Firefox at all. In fact they cannot do so. Because that would be tantamount to a nonprofit devoting resources towards the service of a for-profit business.