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I dunno if it's their "focus" but it's a big part of their PR. eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement. The Mozilla

I dunno if it's their "focus" but it's a big part of their PR. eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement. The Mozilla incubator has a goal of spending 40% of its money on social justice initiatives. Meanwhile they're cutting staff and resources for browser development, which IMO should be their bread and butter.

afavour 3y ago
> eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement Maybe that's a great example of the different ways you can look at the exact same thing. To me that's a privacy cause, and it's one I agree with. What percentage of Ring customers are aware they're providing the police with a direct feed of their front yard? "Ring Reveals They Give Videos to Police Without User Consent or a Warrant" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give-videos-police-without-user-consent-or-warrant https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give...
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  The claim above, disputed by you: "They got one billion dollars and they're reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead" "Privacy cause" is an agenda they're pushing. An agenda I happen to agree with, but promoting that privacy agenda is not software development spending no matter how you look at it. You can't reasonably claim these are equivalent just because you like them both. Telling people that Ring is bad isn't software development, a "different way of looking at it" doesn't cut it.
  - afavour 3y ago
    Perhaps there was a time when Mozilla's sole monetary focus was development of the Firefox browser but if there was it was a long time ago. There aren't only two pots of money in the Mozilla budget, one labeled "software development" and another "agendas", they do all kinds of things. An increase in "agendas" does not automatically mean a decrease in software development. Case in point: Mozilla used to have a "Mozilla Science Lab" from 2013-18[1]. When it was shut down there was presumably extra cash made available. Maybe it went to "agendas", maybe it didn't. And hey, maybe it couldn't: the foundation receives donations for specific projects, they're not able to just say "thanks for the money, we're actually going to spend it on something totally different". If they shut down a program they might well lose the funding associated with it and the whole thing would be a zero-sum exercise. To interpret this as a binary choice between two activities is an oversimplification. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/ScienceLab https://wiki.mozilla.org/ScienceLab
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Nobody said it's a binary. The claim is that they've reduced development spending, which is factual. They laid off a ton of developers, are you forgetting that? Or do you think that doesn't count as reduced development spending?
      - afavour 3y ago
        > The claim is that they’ve reduced development spending The claim was more specific than that: it was “reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead”. Two factual statements: 1) the Mozilla Corporation laid off engineers 2) the Mozilla Foundation spent money pursuing “agendas” I am suggesting that those two events are not necessarily connected to each other.

afavour 3y ago

> eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement Maybe that's a great example of the different ways you can look at the exact same thing. To me that's a privacy cause, and it's one I agree with. What percentage of Ring customers are aware they're providing the police with a direct feed of their front yard? "Ring Reveals They Give Videos to Police Without User Consent or a Warrant" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give-videos-police-without-user-consent-or-warrant https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give...

mcpackieh 3y ago
The claim above, disputed by you: "They got one billion dollars and they're reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead" "Privacy cause" is an agenda they're pushing. An agenda I happen to agree with, but promoting that privacy agenda is not software development spending no matter how you look at it. You can't reasonably claim these are equivalent just because you like them both. Telling people that Ring is bad isn't software development, a "different way of looking at it" doesn't cut it.
- afavour 3y ago
  Perhaps there was a time when Mozilla's sole monetary focus was development of the Firefox browser but if there was it was a long time ago. There aren't only two pots of money in the Mozilla budget, one labeled "software development" and another "agendas", they do all kinds of things. An increase in "agendas" does not automatically mean a decrease in software development. Case in point: Mozilla used to have a "Mozilla Science Lab" from 2013-18[1]. When it was shut down there was presumably extra cash made available. Maybe it went to "agendas", maybe it didn't. And hey, maybe it couldn't: the foundation receives donations for specific projects, they're not able to just say "thanks for the money, we're actually going to spend it on something totally different". If they shut down a program they might well lose the funding associated with it and the whole thing would be a zero-sum exercise. To interpret this as a binary choice between two activities is an oversimplification. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/ScienceLab https://wiki.mozilla.org/ScienceLab
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Nobody said it's a binary. The claim is that they've reduced development spending, which is factual. They laid off a ton of developers, are you forgetting that? Or do you think that doesn't count as reduced development spending?
    - afavour 3y ago
      > The claim is that they’ve reduced development spending The claim was more specific than that: it was “reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead”. Two factual statements: 1) the Mozilla Corporation laid off engineers 2) the Mozilla Foundation spent money pursuing “agendas” I am suggesting that those two events are not necessarily connected to each other.