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And their constant user hostile redesigns. Suddenly tabs are floating separately from their pages. And now if a page is playing audio you can no longer see its

And their constant user hostile redesigns. Suddenly tabs are floating separately from their pages. And now if a page is playing audio you can no longer see its favicon, etc Speaking of mobile firefox where did Save as PDF vanish and why? and so on edit: I have been told in a reply the save pdf feature still exists but has been changed for no reason to a different location in the menu

jamienicol 3y ago
you can save as PDF from the "share" menu
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  Ah I see so it went into the "useless UI shifting" bucket rather than the "deleted features" bin. But I am happy to know it still exists thankfully.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    It's because of the salaried "UX experts". Paying somebody 6 figures to bikeshed the precise size and color of the home button is obviously farcical so they pretend to be more useful by making more dramatic changes, which amount to shuffling things around to make users relearn the software. They're ostensibly supposed to make things better for users, but in reality there's little to do on that front so they make themselves look productive by sabotaging users instead. They can never provide rational justification for any of it. Their "data" arguments are farcical. Have you ever tried to push back against a UX expert's decrees? They can't rationally defend their changes with the data that supposedly informs them so it rapidly devolves into "your opinions on UX are invalid because you're an engineer. I'm an expert so you need to trust me." Salaried "UX experts" are a blight on software development; if their services are ever needed at all, they should be given a short contract with clearly defined goals.
mrguyorama 3y ago
"The favicon will show a special icon to show you which tab started autoplaying some stupid video" The utter horror. It's so user hostile to make an easy way to see which tab is the source of the annoying sound you are hearing. Oh, and it doesn't hide the favicon unless you have so many tabs open each tab can only fit the favicon. So for probably the vast majority of users who don't spend their days with 300 tabs they never check constantly open, they don't see this. So user hostile
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  Whats the point of it? The previous design showed both the favicon and the sound playing icon together? The new one does not show the favicon anymore. The old design never felt cramped or tiny or anything like this, so I call bs on this.
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  SO I checked on a fresh profile with the floating separated tabs and all and there it shows some text underneath the tab saying playing, and the playing icon only when you hover the tab, taking the place of the favicon...which...is an even stranger behavior compared to the older design. It looks like the userchrome work to remove the gap between tab and page had caused the playing icon to show under it, which means i will have to work hard some more to combine both behaviors back to the older style ie no tab gap and both playing icon and favicon visible at same time. Either case I see no justification for this borderline bizarre change.
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1339535 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1339535 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1386107 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1386107 Look what an unholy mess the new change to audio playing status has caused. To summarize, in compact mode you will get the audio playing icon on a tab but it will hide the favicon in that case. In normal mode, and only if you have a small number of tabs, you will find a tiny 'PLAYING' text instead. If you hover over it, you will find the playing icon...which will have hidden the favicon then. UX geniuses with too much time on their hands.
- 3y ago

jamienicol 3y ago

you can save as PDF from the "share" menu

donkeybeer 3y ago
Ah I see so it went into the "useless UI shifting" bucket rather than the "deleted features" bin. But I am happy to know it still exists thankfully.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  It's because of the salaried "UX experts". Paying somebody 6 figures to bikeshed the precise size and color of the home button is obviously farcical so they pretend to be more useful by making more dramatic changes, which amount to shuffling things around to make users relearn the software. They're ostensibly supposed to make things better for users, but in reality there's little to do on that front so they make themselves look productive by sabotaging users instead. They can never provide rational justification for any of it. Their "data" arguments are farcical. Have you ever tried to push back against a UX expert's decrees? They can't rationally defend their changes with the data that supposedly informs them so it rapidly devolves into "your opinions on UX are invalid because you're an engineer. I'm an expert so you need to trust me." Salaried "UX experts" are a blight on software development; if their services are ever needed at all, they should be given a short contract with clearly defined goals.

mrguyorama 3y ago

"The favicon will show a special icon to show you which tab started autoplaying some stupid video" The utter horror. It's so user hostile to make an easy way to see which tab is the source of the annoying sound you are hearing. Oh, and it doesn't hide the favicon unless you have so many tabs open each tab can only fit the favicon. So for probably the vast majority of users who don't spend their days with 300 tabs they never check constantly open, they don't see this. So user hostile

donkeybeer 3y ago
Whats the point of it? The previous design showed both the favicon and the sound playing icon together? The new one does not show the favicon anymore. The old design never felt cramped or tiny or anything like this, so I call bs on this.
donkeybeer 3y ago
SO I checked on a fresh profile with the floating separated tabs and all and there it shows some text underneath the tab saying playing, and the playing icon only when you hover the tab, taking the place of the favicon...which...is an even stranger behavior compared to the older design. It looks like the userchrome work to remove the gap between tab and page had caused the playing icon to show under it, which means i will have to work hard some more to combine both behaviors back to the older style ie no tab gap and both playing icon and favicon visible at same time. Either case I see no justification for this borderline bizarre change.
donkeybeer 3y ago
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1339535 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1339535 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1386107 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1386107 Look what an unholy mess the new change to audio playing status has caused. To summarize, in compact mode you will get the audio playing icon on a tab but it will hide the favicon in that case. In normal mode, and only if you have a small number of tabs, you will find a tiny 'PLAYING' text instead. If you hover over it, you will find the playing icon...which will have hidden the favicon then. UX geniuses with too much time on their hands.
3y ago