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>It's popular to hate on Firefox, I don't hate Firefox, I hate Mozilla.

autoexec 3y ago
I'll always love Mozilla, or at least some fictional idealized version of it, so I'm stuck being increasingly disappointed in Mozilla while holding out for the times they do something right. Giving add-on support back to firefox users is a good thing so here's hoping it won't be done in a way that disappoints me. I hope they bring back about:config next.
- godelski 3y ago
  > or at least some fictional idealized version of it This might be the most real comment here. All our perceptions are some fictionalized version of <insert company/product here>. Doesn't matter if it is Apple, Google, Mozilla, or whatever. Our judgements are based on narrow experiences and highly affected by the PR generated around them.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    > Our judgements are based on narrow experiences and highly affected by the PR generated around them. When it comes to Firefox, a lot of users' judgements might be from actual experience using the product back in its heyday (before it was lobotomized), as opposed to PR? However, bringing PR into the discussion is a good point. Mozilla turned from a browser/web tools maker into a PR agency with unclear profit motives that happens to make an increasingly-lackluster browser.
- kibwen 3y ago
  > I hope they bring back about:config next. I've never had to use about:config on mobile before, but I just checked and it works fine for me.
- cpeterso 3y ago
  Which settings would you like to change in about:config?
  - autoexec 3y ago
    There's an ever increasing number of settings I need to change every single time I install firefox. For example network.security.banned.override allows connections to ports firefox blocks by default. I also disable things like prefetch/seer, service workers, WebRTC, autorefresh, normandy, experiments, shield, redirects, searching from the address bar, autoplay, webgl, webassembly, autofill, fingerprinting (battery level, network info, etc), mathml, Beacon, SVG, casting, and of course the recent forced pop-up ads for their VPN service (browser.vpn_promo.enabled).
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      >normandy Do I even dare ask WTF William the Conqueror has to do with Firefox...? :V
      - cpeterso 3y ago
        Normandy is the name of Mozilla’s system to run A/B experiments in Firefox. You can check if you are or have been enrolled in any experiments by entering about:studies in your Firefox address bar. Here are instructions for opting out of experiments: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/shield https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/shield https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-opt-out-studies-firefox-android https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-opt-out-studies-fir...
asu_thomas 3y ago
Why?
- DoingIsLearning 3y ago
  - They lost focus with just about every other project other than Firefox & Thunderbird which were the actual products I donated money for - They are (recently) very top heavy for a non-profit foundation and are spending non-negligible amounts of money on C-level and execs - Ideologically I disagree with them taking money with strings attached from Alphabet - (Personally) their recent trends of UX with 'dummyfication' and mimicking chrome is a terrible loss
  - asu_thomas 3y ago
    Thanks for explaining. I can't help but ask why you believe these things have happened? What went wrong and what is the alternative to Firefox? I am approximately as cynical as they come, and I'm not sure how Firefox could even exist if Google weren't keeping Mozilla alive (on life support), so I am intrigued by your criticism. I'd like to understand your viewpoint and what ideology is behind it, if any. In your view, what should be done?
    - benterix 3y ago
      Yeah, I'm asking myself the same questions, too. It's obvious they have been trying many options. Some of them worked, some didn't. I criticized some of them in the past but objectively, if I was in their position, I might have made worse mistakes.
      - godelski 3y ago
        That's actually pretty big to say. All I have to say is really just make sure you make criticisms rather than complaints. They need to be constructive (__actionable__) and less emotional. Otherwise the truth is that you may be just throwing fuel onto the fire rather than water. It's easy to get these two confused.
  - 3y ago

I'll always love Mozilla, or at least some fictional idealized version of it, so I'm stuck being increasingly disappointed in Mozilla while holding out for the times they do something right. Giving add-on support back to firefox users is a good thing so here's hoping it won't be done in a way that disappoints me. I hope they bring back about:config next.

godelski 3y ago
> or at least some fictional idealized version of it This might be the most real comment here. All our perceptions are some fictionalized version of <insert company/product here>. Doesn't matter if it is Apple, Google, Mozilla, or whatever. Our judgements are based on narrow experiences and highly affected by the PR generated around them.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > Our judgements are based on narrow experiences and highly affected by the PR generated around them. When it comes to Firefox, a lot of users' judgements might be from actual experience using the product back in its heyday (before it was lobotomized), as opposed to PR? However, bringing PR into the discussion is a good point. Mozilla turned from a browser/web tools maker into a PR agency with unclear profit motives that happens to make an increasingly-lackluster browser.
kibwen 3y ago
> I hope they bring back about:config next. I've never had to use about:config on mobile before, but I just checked and it works fine for me.
cpeterso 3y ago
Which settings would you like to change in about:config?
- autoexec 3y ago
  There's an ever increasing number of settings I need to change every single time I install firefox. For example network.security.banned.override allows connections to ports firefox blocks by default. I also disable things like prefetch/seer, service workers, WebRTC, autorefresh, normandy, experiments, shield, redirects, searching from the address bar, autoplay, webgl, webassembly, autofill, fingerprinting (battery level, network info, etc), mathml, Beacon, SVG, casting, and of course the recent forced pop-up ads for their VPN service (browser.vpn_promo.enabled).
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    >normandy Do I even dare ask WTF William the Conqueror has to do with Firefox...? :V
    - cpeterso 3y ago
      Normandy is the name of Mozilla’s system to run A/B experiments in Firefox. You can check if you are or have been enrolled in any experiments by entering about:studies in your Firefox address bar. Here are instructions for opting out of experiments: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/shield https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/shield https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-opt-out-studies-firefox-android https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-opt-out-studies-fir...

asu_thomas 3y ago

Why?

DoingIsLearning 3y ago
- They lost focus with just about every other project other than Firefox & Thunderbird which were the actual products I donated money for - They are (recently) very top heavy for a non-profit foundation and are spending non-negligible amounts of money on C-level and execs - Ideologically I disagree with them taking money with strings attached from Alphabet - (Personally) their recent trends of UX with 'dummyfication' and mimicking chrome is a terrible loss
- asu_thomas 3y ago
  Thanks for explaining. I can't help but ask why you believe these things have happened? What went wrong and what is the alternative to Firefox? I am approximately as cynical as they come, and I'm not sure how Firefox could even exist if Google weren't keeping Mozilla alive (on life support), so I am intrigued by your criticism. I'd like to understand your viewpoint and what ideology is behind it, if any. In your view, what should be done?
  - benterix 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm asking myself the same questions, too. It's obvious they have been trying many options. Some of them worked, some didn't. I criticized some of them in the past but objectively, if I was in their position, I might have made worse mistakes.
    - godelski 3y ago
      That's actually pretty big to say. All I have to say is really just make sure you make criticisms rather than complaints. They need to be constructive (__actionable__) and less emotional. Otherwise the truth is that you may be just throwing fuel onto the fire rather than water. It's easy to get these two confused.
- 3y ago