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Funny how @mitchellh has decided not to join the conversation. Pretty sure he had the ultimate input on this decision, and historically he's engaged with HN di
by metadat 3y ago
Funny how @mitchellh has decided not to join the conversation. Pretty sure he had the ultimate input on this decision, and historically he's engaged with HN directly. Hmm.
Overall it seems like a loser move. Look what happened to Elasticsearch - to me and most others, ES no longer exists. I've happily moved on to OpenSearch and not looked back at poor kimchi. Due to their own actions, Elasticsearch is no longer relevant.
Will Hashicorp's move spur a similar effort to fork the last open-source license version of Terraform and other Hashicorp tools? What other choice is there when the creator gets petty and insecure, and goes hostile against the open source community that helped create it? Extremely disappointed with the Hashicorp leadership team.
MitchellH and your little sidekick Armon Dadgar - you owe your community better than this.
I interviewed with Hashicorp back in 2016 and ended up turning down the job. I used to have a small amount of regret about this decision, but now that true colors have been revealed, I know I made the right call.
What's that saying about trust?
Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair.
It's surprising to learn that people I thought were so smart could turn out to be this dumb!
- koolba 3y agoDoes anybody even pay for terraform? Outside the “workspace” hosted product, it’s all free as in beer for all the providers.
- metadat 3y agoIrrelevant in the grand scheme of things, at this scale of developer community it's all about mindshare. They could've created a compelling paid support or other product offerings, but haven't, or maybe took too much funding and the VCs forced their hand. Regardless, it's a 1-trick pony. Even though they have other cool shit, Terraform is the golden goose, and they just strangled it. Now someone will fork it to "Terrafoam" or whatever and that'll be it. MitchellH's vision and expertise is no longer critical to the project.
- glenngillen 3y agoYes, check some of the previous HashiConf keynotes to see the types of customers that are paying for it and which products they use. Also HashiCorp's financials are public, although without a per-product breakout. You'll have to connect the dots between some of these things to try and get into the rough ballpark.
- Coryodaniel 3y agoI read their s1 and it looked like a lot of the revenue came from professional services. I’m curious how this affects consultants and PSOs that might be competing w Hashi’s services business and running terraform on jenkins or whatever.
- glenngillen 3y agoprevious quarter: https://ir.hashicorp.com/node/8351/pdf https://ir.hashicorp.com/node/8351/pdf Cloud: $16.5M (+88% YoY) Subscriptions: $133.6M (+35% YoY) ProServ: $4.4M (+75% YoY)
- myroon5 3y agoCloud revenue is a subset of Subscription revenue, and Subscription revenue is mostly Support ($101.9M). In fact, 3/4 of their total revenue is Support
- glenngillen 3y agoI don’t think Support is what you think it is here. Ask any Vault or Terraform Enterprise customer how much they pay and what it’s for.
- softveda 3y agoCorrect, HashiCorp support price is built into its SKU tiers like Bronze, Silver and Gold. They don't charge for support tickets.
- evanriley 3y agoHasn't mitchellh stepped down from a leadership role? Why would he have "the ultimate input on this decision"?
- xyzzy_plugh 3y agoDid he give up his seat on the board? His voting rights? I assumed he still has, or effectively has, full control.
- EspressoGPT 3y agoHe also stepped down from the HashiCorp board[1]. [1] https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/mitchell-s-new-role-at-hashicorp https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/mitchell-s-new-role-at-hashic...
- milar 3y agoMitchell isn’t in leadership at hashicorp any more, for some time, and has said so many times. No need to insult a person who has done a ton.
- personomas 3y agoI think you're being a little aggressive. It's a company, and they have to make money. Their stuff was opensourced, the good stuff will get forked, no need to hate Hashicorp. > Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair. Don't agree with that. That's really aggressive man. Hashicorp has built some awesome stuff, and tried to make a business based on Open Source. They haven't broken any contracts or done anything immoral - it's their choice.
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