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If your business can't succeed using an open source license you made poor business choices. Own it, don't blame the license or the open source community.

Barrin92 3y ago
If I have to pay developers, operate a business, allocate time and money to create value and take the risk that comes with it, and you come and take my work unchanged, strip all atribution and mereley resell it, then I can't succeed by definition. The most talented businessman on earth cannot. If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. No commercial system can exist like that and it should not because it effectively means distributing resources from people who do everything to people who do nothing.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > and you come and take my work unchanged, strip all atribution and mereley resell it, then If they strip all attribution, then you can just take them to court for violating the license; other than public domain and WTFPL, even the most permissive licenses (BSD/MIT/Apache) still require attribution.
- toenail 3y ago
  > If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. Free software has been fine without any businessmen or companies involved, we don't need your or any company's approval. It seems like the only thing that will vanish from the open source sphere are companies with flawed business plans.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Open source is what's written in the license, no more, no less. It doesn't have spirits or souls.
  - teddyh 3y ago
    This is like saying that programs are what is written in the code; there are no such things as “bugs”, since the programs are what they are. Back in the real world, with people in it, the GPL and (by extension) Open Source were created for underlying reasons.
- growse 3y ago
  If you're not able to come up with a business plan that involves open sourcing your software, that's fine! Building a business off the open source model and community good-will before realising it doesn't work is either incompetence or dishonesty. > If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. No commercial system can exist like that and it should not because it effectively means distributing resources from people who do everything to people who do nothing. This is a weirdly hyper-capitalist take. You're saying that the successful businesses built off open source "should not" exist?
zaphirplane 3y ago
You make it sound the licence is infallible The licence could be the problem in how the competitors are operating and leaching
- growse 3y ago
  No-one forces you to use the license in the first place.

Barrin92 3y ago

If I have to pay developers, operate a business, allocate time and money to create value and take the risk that comes with it, and you come and take my work unchanged, strip all atribution and mereley resell it, then I can't succeed by definition. The most talented businessman on earth cannot. If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. No commercial system can exist like that and it should not because it effectively means distributing resources from people who do everything to people who do nothing.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> and you come and take my work unchanged, strip all atribution and mereley resell it, then If they strip all attribution, then you can just take them to court for violating the license; other than public domain and WTFPL, even the most permissive licenses (BSD/MIT/Apache) still require attribution.
toenail 3y ago
> If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. Free software has been fine without any businessmen or companies involved, we don't need your or any company's approval. It seems like the only thing that will vanish from the open source sphere are companies with flawed business plans.
pessimizer 3y ago
Open source is what's written in the license, no more, no less. It doesn't have spirits or souls.
- teddyh 3y ago
  This is like saying that programs are what is written in the code; there are no such things as “bugs”, since the programs are what they are. Back in the real world, with people in it, the GPL and (by extension) Open Source were created for underlying reasons.
growse 3y ago
If you're not able to come up with a business plan that involves open sourcing your software, that's fine! Building a business off the open source model and community good-will before realising it doesn't work is either incompetence or dishonesty. > If that's what you think open source is, it'll vanish. No commercial system can exist like that and it should not because it effectively means distributing resources from people who do everything to people who do nothing. This is a weirdly hyper-capitalist take. You're saying that the successful businesses built off open source "should not" exist?

zaphirplane 3y ago

You make it sound the licence is infallible The licence could be the problem in how the competitors are operating and leaching

growse 3y ago
No-one forces you to use the license in the first place.