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Dunno about others, but I always ask myself where these companies would be if their software was under non free license from the start. This is hostile to end

Dunno about others, but I always ask myself where these companies would be if their software was under non free license from the start. This is hostile to end users, small people an companies, not just big megacorps wanting the "steal" the code and run it as a service. Be successful in running and using Hashicorp's software, and they decide to shut you down if you are deemed a competitor.

manojlds 3y ago
From what I know about BSL, nothing changes for me, except some notion what "true open source spirit" is and what not.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  Depends on the conditions of the BSL and whether your legal department is OK with them.
- light_hue_1 3y ago
  Everything changes. At any moment for any reason they can declare that you your use or your business in some way competes with them and cut you off. You have no recourse. They don't need to explain it. They can even add a product remotely like what you're building or misunderstand your product and you are screwed. The BSL carries with it immense legal risk.
rnmkr 3y ago
> where these companies would be if their software was under non free license from the start. Yep open source is used as a marketing. I doubt they'd gain much adoption if it started with BSL at first place.
- mdaniel 3y ago
  > I doubt they'd gain much adoption if it started with BSL at first place Adoption is one risk, https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/graphs/contributors https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/graphs/contributors is an entirely different risk
  - ezekg 3y ago
    Sentry, another BUSL licensed project, seems fine? https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/graphs/contributors https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/graphs/contributors
    - mdaniel 3y ago
      Given their exactly similar rug-pull stunt, in the context of what I was saying one would need to be able to load that link with date range restrictions showing before and after the rug pull, and (of course) exclude Sentry employees in order to show community contributions I don't have the emotional energy to dig up such a report, but I'd be stunned if Sentry receives the same outside contribution rate as it did before
      - ezekg 3y ago
        You can scroll through that contributor list and see that each graph clearly shows most new contributors were post-2019...
Macha 3y ago
Also, "What if their dependencies adopted the same attitude?" Like https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/main/go.mod#L25 https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/main/go.mod#L25
- Coryodaniel 3y ago
  Maybe we'll see the whole team at [Axiom](https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/0b12cdcfd17278d7cca25ec37ffacd96b8d5c6c7/go.mod#L47C2-L47C32 https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/0b12cdcfd17278d7cca2...) riding around in Maseratis.
Proven 3y ago
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manojlds 3y ago

From what I know about BSL, nothing changes for me, except some notion what "true open source spirit" is and what not.

candiddevmike 3y ago
Depends on the conditions of the BSL and whether your legal department is OK with them.
light_hue_1 3y ago
Everything changes. At any moment for any reason they can declare that you your use or your business in some way competes with them and cut you off. You have no recourse. They don't need to explain it. They can even add a product remotely like what you're building or misunderstand your product and you are screwed. The BSL carries with it immense legal risk.

rnmkr 3y ago

> where these companies would be if their software was under non free license from the start. Yep open source is used as a marketing. I doubt they'd gain much adoption if it started with BSL at first place.

mdaniel 3y ago
> I doubt they'd gain much adoption if it started with BSL at first place Adoption is one risk, https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/graphs/contributors https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/graphs/contributors is an entirely different risk
- ezekg 3y ago
  Sentry, another BUSL licensed project, seems fine? https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/graphs/contributors https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/graphs/contributors
  - mdaniel 3y ago
    Given their exactly similar rug-pull stunt, in the context of what I was saying one would need to be able to load that link with date range restrictions showing before and after the rug pull, and (of course) exclude Sentry employees in order to show community contributions I don't have the emotional energy to dig up such a report, but I'd be stunned if Sentry receives the same outside contribution rate as it did before
    - ezekg 3y ago
      You can scroll through that contributor list and see that each graph clearly shows most new contributors were post-2019...

Macha 3y ago

Also, "What if their dependencies adopted the same attitude?" Like https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/main/go.mod#L25 https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/main/go.mod#L25

Coryodaniel 3y ago
Maybe we'll see the whole team at [Axiom](https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/0b12cdcfd17278d7cca25ec37ffacd96b8d5c6c7/go.mod#L47C2-L47C32 https://github.com/hashicorp/vault/blob/0b12cdcfd17278d7cca2...) riding around in Maseratis.

Proven 3y ago

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