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Why is it silly? To me it sounds silly never really knowing if you have a job the next day, if you can pay your bills, your mortgage, buy food. That amount of

Why is it silly? To me it sounds silly never really knowing if you have a job the next day, if you can pay your bills, your mortgage, buy food. That amount of insecurity is to me just insane. I can't fathom living like that.

sneak 3y ago
The scenario you describe is only possible if there is only one employer. The moment you have multiple employers to choose from (ie an actual market for labor) then the insecurity is removed. Indeed, for the most part, if you can deliver value, you can find someone to pay you for it and your bills will get paid.
- matsemann 3y ago
  Can you find a new job the very next day? Can everyone? Why not at least have a few weeks, what's the harm in that?
  - sneak 3y ago
    "the very next day" is arbitrary - you were talking about bills, those are usually due monthly. It's not your employer's job to mitigate the risks an employee took on by not saving money. Everyone should have 90 days of expenses saved up.
    - matsemann 3y ago
      So all those living paycheck to paycheck should just be screwed? I think your views come from a point of privilege.
      - sneak 3y ago
        It's not a matter of my view. The people you describe are only screwed if: - they have no savings or access to credit AND - they get fired on short notice AND - they can't get another job I'm not sure that making the employer fire them with a longer notice period, given that they can't get another job, means they won't be screwed. Therefore, I don't think there is any utility in so restricting the employer. Not having savings is bad and dangerous. That's not caused by labor law.
        matsemann 3y ago
        What kind of jobs can you find on a single day's notice? Abusive gig work only. Where I live the notice period is three months. I don't think you can imagine how nice it is to not have to worry about being fired on the spot, and when it happens you know you will have time to sort it out. Jobs should serve the people.

sneak 3y ago

The scenario you describe is only possible if there is only one employer. The moment you have multiple employers to choose from (ie an actual market for labor) then the insecurity is removed. Indeed, for the most part, if you can deliver value, you can find someone to pay you for it and your bills will get paid.

matsemann 3y ago
Can you find a new job the very next day? Can everyone? Why not at least have a few weeks, what's the harm in that?
- sneak 3y ago
  "the very next day" is arbitrary - you were talking about bills, those are usually due monthly. It's not your employer's job to mitigate the risks an employee took on by not saving money. Everyone should have 90 days of expenses saved up.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    So all those living paycheck to paycheck should just be screwed? I think your views come from a point of privilege.
    - sneak 3y ago
      It's not a matter of my view. The people you describe are only screwed if: - they have no savings or access to credit AND - they get fired on short notice AND - they can't get another job I'm not sure that making the employer fire them with a longer notice period, given that they can't get another job, means they won't be screwed. Therefore, I don't think there is any utility in so restricting the employer. Not having savings is bad and dangerous. That's not caused by labor law.
      - matsemann 3y ago
        What kind of jobs can you find on a single day's notice? Abusive gig work only. Where I live the notice period is three months. I don't think you can imagine how nice it is to not have to worry about being fired on the spot, and when it happens you know you will have time to sort it out. Jobs should serve the people.