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Fedora Linux on M-powered Macs will be here shortly

54 points by elorant 3y ago

AtlasBarfed 3y ago
With the Ubuntu snap debacle and active war by Ubuntu on things like Mint that are snapless Ubuntu, is Fedora the new desktop direction? I'm still on tons of ubuntu and derivatives out of basically inertia, most of them are on the boundaries of snap vs non-snap, but the direction of ubuntu is clear: bad / dangerous snaps that IMO aren't real unix. I'm deciding on doing everything with Mint going forward, or making the Fedora / dnf switch. Snaps might be good for server, but for desktop they break so much stuff, because desktop apps need filesystem access that philosphically ubuntu isn't going to do. For example, if I have a raid array that has big media files or other large files, and I want to load from there with a snap-based desktop snap app, it can't see them. Unless they are in the home directory. Linked dirs won't work. The solution from ubuntu? Some hack entry in /etc/fstab. When I save things in snap'd firefox, it dumps me first into some weird path inside the snap. The handoff from the firefox to the file selection is broken with no autofocus. And a half-dozen other GUI issues. It just sucks. Desktop linux keeps getting close and then doing crap like this. GNOME full rewrites. KDE full rewrites. Wayland full rewrites. So anyway, maybe Fedora with Mac will take some fundamental lead. We need a "winner" other than Ubuntu.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >With the Ubuntu snap debacle and active war by Ubuntu on things like Mint that are snapless Ubuntu, is Fedora the new desktop direction? Give OpenSUSE Tumbleweed a try. It's rolling but tested and stable so there's a lot or continuity to the development and the UX, so you never feel like you get the rug pulled from under you suddenly after an update.
- nateb2022 3y ago
  > When I save things in snap'd firefox, it dumps me first into some weird path inside the snap. The handoff from the firefox to the file selection is broken with no autofocus. And a half-dozen other GUI issues. This doesn't occur for me, on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and Firefox (Snap) 116.0.2.
WiSaGaN 3y ago
How much problem would no Apple support pose in this case? Seems to me that a distribution would be even harder than a kernel support if based on reverse engineering instead of official support?
ranguna 3y ago
> Linux will be available by the end of the month > If you're just doing simple stuff like a browser and some documents and whatever, it's actually in a good working state. https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support Speakers ? Maybe. Microphone? Maybe. Webcam? Maybe. TouchID? Maybe. Display on latest M2s? Maybe. The list goes on and they still say things will be ready by next month on M1 and M2. Don't get me wrong, I'm supporting the effort through donations but why do open source developers running on best effort development need to set toxic deadlines and expectations upon themselves? A simple "it will be ready when it's ready" would do. Now they are under pressure because of this fabricated "in one month" time limit. Good software is rarely built under pressure, so just take your time and do things properly please.
- ngcc_hk 3y ago
  The article said something quite alarming … not working is different from software controlled killing speaker etc. I think the priority is “safety” to hardware so we can try it. And if it can run under vm even better. We agree we need to help to test. Linux desktop is hard because there is no easy way to globally test it (and the Microsoft past is just dump it to you and you sort it out as well. But they have decades and captured users …)
- rowanG077 3y ago
  This is kind of the feeling I have gotten. I have donated for almost a year in the early days. But the more basic things don't seem to get attention. I understand a lot of dev time is focused on the gpu. But I would rather they get the current gl version stable and then park that for the other stuff. Sure vulkan is nice. But it's much nicer that I can connect a screen or do a zoom meeting. I get it though. Gpu is probably the most technically challenging and fun part to work on. And they are almost all volunteers so it's very understandable.
  - paddim8 3y ago
    Vulkan is being worked on because someone with the relevant skills felt like working on that. Doesn't necessarily take away time from other parts of the project.

54 points by elorant 3y ago

With the Ubuntu snap debacle and active war by Ubuntu on things like Mint that are snapless Ubuntu, is Fedora the new desktop direction? I'm still on tons of ubuntu and derivatives out of basically inertia, most of them are on the boundaries of snap vs non-snap, but the direction of ubuntu is clear: bad / dangerous snaps that IMO aren't real unix. I'm deciding on doing everything with Mint going forward, or making the Fedora / dnf switch. Snaps might be good for server, but for desktop they break so much stuff, because desktop apps need filesystem access that philosphically ubuntu isn't going to do. For example, if I have a raid array that has big media files or other large files, and I want to load from there with a snap-based desktop snap app, it can't see them. Unless they are in the home directory. Linked dirs won't work. The solution from ubuntu? Some hack entry in /etc/fstab. When I save things in snap'd firefox, it dumps me first into some weird path inside the snap. The handoff from the firefox to the file selection is broken with no autofocus. And a half-dozen other GUI issues. It just sucks. Desktop linux keeps getting close and then doing crap like this. GNOME full rewrites. KDE full rewrites. Wayland full rewrites. So anyway, maybe Fedora with Mac will take some fundamental lead. We need a "winner" other than Ubuntu.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>With the Ubuntu snap debacle and active war by Ubuntu on things like Mint that are snapless Ubuntu, is Fedora the new desktop direction? Give OpenSUSE Tumbleweed a try. It's rolling but tested and stable so there's a lot or continuity to the development and the UX, so you never feel like you get the rug pulled from under you suddenly after an update.
nateb2022 3y ago
> When I save things in snap'd firefox, it dumps me first into some weird path inside the snap. The handoff from the firefox to the file selection is broken with no autofocus. And a half-dozen other GUI issues. This doesn't occur for me, on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and Firefox (Snap) 116.0.2.

WiSaGaN 3y ago

How much problem would no Apple support pose in this case? Seems to me that a distribution would be even harder than a kernel support if based on reverse engineering instead of official support?

ranguna 3y ago

> Linux will be available by the end of the month > If you're just doing simple stuff like a browser and some documents and whatever, it's actually in a good working state. https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support Speakers ? Maybe. Microphone? Maybe. Webcam? Maybe. TouchID? Maybe. Display on latest M2s? Maybe. The list goes on and they still say things will be ready by next month on M1 and M2. Don't get me wrong, I'm supporting the effort through donations but why do open source developers running on best effort development need to set toxic deadlines and expectations upon themselves? A simple "it will be ready when it's ready" would do. Now they are under pressure because of this fabricated "in one month" time limit. Good software is rarely built under pressure, so just take your time and do things properly please.

ngcc_hk 3y ago
The article said something quite alarming … not working is different from software controlled killing speaker etc. I think the priority is “safety” to hardware so we can try it. And if it can run under vm even better. We agree we need to help to test. Linux desktop is hard because there is no easy way to globally test it (and the Microsoft past is just dump it to you and you sort it out as well. But they have decades and captured users …)
rowanG077 3y ago
This is kind of the feeling I have gotten. I have donated for almost a year in the early days. But the more basic things don't seem to get attention. I understand a lot of dev time is focused on the gpu. But I would rather they get the current gl version stable and then park that for the other stuff. Sure vulkan is nice. But it's much nicer that I can connect a screen or do a zoom meeting. I get it though. Gpu is probably the most technically challenging and fun part to work on. And they are almost all volunteers so it's very understandable.
- paddim8 3y ago
  Vulkan is being worked on because someone with the relevant skills felt like working on that. Doesn't necessarily take away time from other parts of the project.