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Thought a linked article: https://j11g.com/2023/08/07/the-legacy-of-bram-moolenaar/ https://j11g.com/2023/08/07/the-legacy-of-bram-moolenaar/ By Jan van den B

Thought a linked article: https://j11g.com/2023/08/07/the-legacy-of-bram-moolenaar/ https://j11g.com/2023/08/07/the-legacy-of-bram-moolenaar/ By Jan van den Berg, was a better read. One quote: "Vim is a masterpiece, the gleaming precise machining tool from which so much of modernity was crafted". And then this link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9m3g5J-XA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9m3g5J-XA "7 Habits for Effective Text Editing 2.0" 1h20m - If anyone has a transcript or summary: plz. But this was funny - first comment: "I let auto play go on while I was sleeping for 7 hours and went from Billie Eilish to this" Life is weird but I love it :-) Disclaimer: I'm not even user of either (Neo)vim or Emacs. As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste , a few minutes of configuration & go. But that's just me, what do I know? That said: good tools serve a purpose. Our world is a better place with good tools in it - and the ppl who made those tools. And sometimes their legacy, their philosophy, their way of doing things, lives on in the code (or the community!) they left behind. So kudoz to Bram!

RGBCube 3y ago
> Disclaimer: I'm not even user of either of (Neo)vim or Emacs. As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste , a few minutes of configuration & go. But that's just me, what do I know? Then Helix may be for you! It uses the Kakoune keybinds, which make SO MUCH SENSE compared to Vim or Emacs. And it's already pre configured and includes a lot of useful features. I have been daily driving it and it's pretty fast and good. Since it automatically uses LSPs if they are in the PATH, it requires very minimal configuration, my configuration only includes theme and some stylistic changes, you can take a look at it if you'd like: https://github.com/RGBCube/NixOSConfiguration/blob/master/machines/asus/helix/default.nix https://github.com/RGBCube/NixOSConfiguration/blob/master/ma...
- __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
  I've been a happy vimmer for 15 years. I've been dabbling in helix for a month and liking it a lot. The ast-aware selection capabilities--while not habit yet--feel like a fledgling superpower.
  - nequo 3y ago
    Neovim has a plugin for that too.[1] Is Helix different in how you can navigate the syntax tree? [1] https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter-textobjects https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter-textobjec...
    - __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
      Seems similar. I haven't used the text objects stuff enough to be sure--I'm just excited to do so. There's something to be said for having it baked in though. I've been nix-ifying my configs and not having to think about any plugins was a welcome change. (Unless you count language servers as plugins, which you maybe should.)
bla3 3y ago
I don't know if it's necessary to be competitive about eulogies, but the one you posted was also touching. Thank you for posting it. The picture of Bram's GitHub contribution graph is haunting.
mlry 3y ago
>"7 Habits for Effective Text Editing 2.0" >1h20m - If anyone has a transcript or summary: plz. But this was funny - first comment: Here you go: https://moolenaar.net/habits_2007.pdf https://moolenaar.net/habits_2007.pdf Courtesy of tlamponi [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013315
petre 3y ago
> As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste I never have to "program" Vim apart from set nocompatible, set ruler, backspace, indentation and maybe pick another colorscheme from the defaults (usually torte). On neovim I installed lightline and pathogen, monokai colorscheme and something else I forgot about, maybe syntax highlighting for some more exotic language. The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree.
- gorjusborg 3y ago
  > The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree. Exactly, just because you can doesn't mean you need to, or should.
  - imron 3y ago
    My .exrc file is < 10 lines and that + ctags is enough for me to use vim for daily development across multiple languages.
  - petre 3y ago
    My .vimrc: set nocompatible set backspace=2 set noexpandtab copyindent preserveindent softtabstop=0 tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 set ruler colorscheme torte Vim is what I mainly use out of habbit. It only requires typing vim as opposed to nvim. Neovim's init file has this plus more stuff to turn off features like showmode, keybinding for nohlsearch, SQL autocomplete and space indentation for python. Maybe some of those annoying defaults are set up by one of the plugins. It's loaded with up with three plugins: lightline, vim-polyglot and vim-visual-multi which I forgot how to use and wonder why it was loaded in the first place. Polyglot is loaded because I needed syntax highlighting for some more exotic language like Crystal, D, Dart or TOML. Apart from that it uses the monokai-tasty colorscheme. So basically this is my setup. If I open anything in vim that doesn't have syntax highlighting and I find it annoying, I would just close the file and open it in nvim instead. I think Polyglot also helps with Racket. I've also tried helix and kakoune but find the popup menus quite annoying. Also not being able to set the indent width in helix except on a language basis is a total turn off.

RGBCube 3y ago

> Disclaimer: I'm not even user of either of (Neo)vim or Emacs. As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste , a few minutes of configuration & go. But that's just me, what do I know? Then Helix may be for you! It uses the Kakoune keybinds, which make SO MUCH SENSE compared to Vim or Emacs. And it's already pre configured and includes a lot of useful features. I have been daily driving it and it's pretty fast and good. Since it automatically uses LSPs if they are in the PATH, it requires very minimal configuration, my configuration only includes theme and some stylistic changes, you can take a look at it if you'd like: https://github.com/RGBCube/NixOSConfiguration/blob/master/machines/asus/helix/default.nix https://github.com/RGBCube/NixOSConfiguration/blob/master/ma...

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
I've been a happy vimmer for 15 years. I've been dabbling in helix for a month and liking it a lot. The ast-aware selection capabilities--while not habit yet--feel like a fledgling superpower.
- nequo 3y ago
  Neovim has a plugin for that too.[1] Is Helix different in how you can navigate the syntax tree? [1] https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter-textobjects https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter-textobjec...
  - __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
    Seems similar. I haven't used the text objects stuff enough to be sure--I'm just excited to do so. There's something to be said for having it baked in though. I've been nix-ifying my configs and not having to think about any plugins was a welcome change. (Unless you count language servers as plugins, which you maybe should.)

bla3 3y ago

I don't know if it's necessary to be competitive about eulogies, but the one you posted was also touching. Thank you for posting it. The picture of Bram's GitHub contribution graph is haunting.

mlry 3y ago

>"7 Habits for Effective Text Editing 2.0" >1h20m - If anyone has a transcript or summary: plz. But this was funny - first comment: Here you go: https://moolenaar.net/habits_2007.pdf https://moolenaar.net/habits_2007.pdf Courtesy of tlamponi [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37013315

petre 3y ago

> As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste I never have to "program" Vim apart from set nocompatible, set ruler, backspace, indentation and maybe pick another colorscheme from the defaults (usually torte). On neovim I installed lightline and pathogen, monokai colorscheme and something else I forgot about, maybe syntax highlighting for some more exotic language. The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree.

gorjusborg 3y ago
> The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree. Exactly, just because you can doesn't mean you need to, or should.
- imron 3y ago
  My .exrc file is < 10 lines and that + ctags is enough for me to use vim for daily development across multiple languages.
- petre 3y ago
  My .vimrc: set nocompatible set backspace=2 set noexpandtab copyindent preserveindent softtabstop=0 tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 set ruler colorscheme torte Vim is what I mainly use out of habbit. It only requires typing vim as opposed to nvim. Neovim's init file has this plus more stuff to turn off features like showmode, keybinding for nohlsearch, SQL autocomplete and space indentation for python. Maybe some of those annoying defaults are set up by one of the plugins. It's loaded with up with three plugins: lightline, vim-polyglot and vim-visual-multi which I forgot how to use and wonder why it was loaded in the first place. Polyglot is loaded because I needed syntax highlighting for some more exotic language like Crystal, D, Dart or TOML. Apart from that it uses the monokai-tasty colorscheme. So basically this is my setup. If I open anything in vim that doesn't have syntax highlighting and I find it annoying, I would just close the file and open it in nvim instead. I think Polyglot also helps with Racket. I've also tried helix and kakoune but find the popup menus quite annoying. Also not being able to set the indent width in helix except on a language basis is a total turn off.