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> I don't believe anyone wants to create a new legal system, but the reality is the vast majority of sexual assault cases aren't resolved in court due to existi

> I don't believe anyone wants to create a new legal system, but the reality is the vast majority of sexual assault cases aren't resolved in court due to existing social issues If by existing social issues, you mean lack of evidence, statute of limitations, then sure. For instance, I see zero evidence that anything occurred here. There may be evidence, but the point of the justice system is to publicly disclose it and debate it such that the public can make a determination. Once determined (by a jury) a punishment, agreed upon by the society is handed down. The alternative is issuing unsubstantiated claims to the public. Then blacklisting and deplatforming the person do they cannot defend themselves. To be honest, that’s effectively what led to the US revolution — lack of due process, ability to redress grievances and representation. It’s very unamerican, that said, many of these organizations that do this aren’t American so it is what it is.

jasonlotito 3y ago
> It’s very unamerican This is 100% wrong. American' are very much in favor of instilling their own ethics and morality and guidelines on things they own. Which is exactly what is happening here. Your belief that you can dictate to others how they can manage their own property is the unamerican thing here.
- lettergram 3y ago
  True, America is / was known for the Jim Crow laws, public lynchings without a trial, etc. I guess it is “very American”. That said, if you ask around, I suspect most Americans believe that is horrendous and not at all what America is. In fact, there are a lot of laws protecting the accused for this very reason. That said, I do think the accused here should consider a civil lawsuit (if they’re innocent). It would help clear their name, because they aren’t doing so — I do suspect the claims are true, for what it’s worth.
ethanbond 3y ago
> To be honest, that’s effectively what led to the US revolution — lack of due process, ability to redress grievances and representation No it wasn’t
- lettergram 3y ago
  https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip... There’s a whole lot in there about lack of representation, lack of due process (ie trial by jury) and representation (like the whole list of complaints are these 3 things)
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Lack of representation [in state affairs] Lack of due process [in exercise of state power] The Founding Fathers never said “if you’re accused of horrible things, everyone still needs to be nice to you and want to hang out with you until you’re convicted of a crime.”
    - lettergram 3y ago
      Clearly, I was referring to the ethos. It’s also that you’re taking their profession (grandmasters often make significant income), off accusations.
      - ethanbond 3y ago
        Actually the ethos is precisely the opposite and is enshrined in our Constitutional right to association. You have the right to associate and disassociate with whoever you wish for whatever reasons you wish.

jasonlotito 3y ago

> It’s very unamerican This is 100% wrong. American' are very much in favor of instilling their own ethics and morality and guidelines on things they own. Which is exactly what is happening here. Your belief that you can dictate to others how they can manage their own property is the unamerican thing here.

lettergram 3y ago
True, America is / was known for the Jim Crow laws, public lynchings without a trial, etc. I guess it is “very American”. That said, if you ask around, I suspect most Americans believe that is horrendous and not at all what America is. In fact, there are a lot of laws protecting the accused for this very reason. That said, I do think the accused here should consider a civil lawsuit (if they’re innocent). It would help clear their name, because they aren’t doing so — I do suspect the claims are true, for what it’s worth.

ethanbond 3y ago

> To be honest, that’s effectively what led to the US revolution — lack of due process, ability to redress grievances and representation No it wasn’t

lettergram 3y ago
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip... There’s a whole lot in there about lack of representation, lack of due process (ie trial by jury) and representation (like the whole list of complaints are these 3 things)
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Lack of representation [in state affairs] Lack of due process [in exercise of state power] The Founding Fathers never said “if you’re accused of horrible things, everyone still needs to be nice to you and want to hang out with you until you’re convicted of a crime.”
  - lettergram 3y ago
    Clearly, I was referring to the ethos. It’s also that you’re taking their profession (grandmasters often make significant income), off accusations.
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      Actually the ethos is precisely the opposite and is enshrined in our Constitutional right to association. You have the right to associate and disassociate with whoever you wish for whatever reasons you wish.