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Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all

Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support. Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it. So, very interesting to see these companies banding together to give us back CentOS by another name. It will be interesting to see what Rocky and Alma do.

gangohango 3y ago
CIQ is rocky.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  I was thinking one of the distros was backed by CIQ, but I couldn't remember which, thanks.
  - nhanlon 3y ago
    CIQ is a sponsor of Rocky (and my employer, to be transparent) - but they do not have a say over what Rocky does.
- nhanlon 3y ago
  We (RESF/Rocky) are _not_ CIQ, and do not take direction from CIQ. End of story.
  - gareim 3y ago
    I knew you'd show up and say this. CIQ's CEO claims to have founded Rocky and is the current president of RESF, is Rocky's most prominent sponsor, and Rocky's recent moves have been in the same direction that CIQ requires in order to survive. Regardless of direct control or not, Rocky's financial incentives align with CIQ's. As you so point out your bias, it would be really nice if you didn't speak on behalf of your employer and let others make their own conclusions without hearing from those biased.
    - geerlingguy 3y ago
      It'd also be nice if employees of Red Hat wouldn't make personal attacks on folks affiliated with Rocky Linux (and to a greater extent CIQ), justified or not, but I can understand nhanlon's defensiveness, just as I understand the defensiveness from many on Red Hat's payroll surrounding everything the past month+.
      - ungamedplayer 3y ago
        Where is the personal attack?
        geerlingguy 3y ago
        Elsewhere, mostly centered around Twitter, Reddit, and LinkedIn. Thankfully the comms have been more level-headed around these parts.
        chasil 3y ago
        I can tell you that redhat has conducted a hostile license audit at my corporate data center. This is one factor in my determination to never allow them into my regional data center. There are several other factors.
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- CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
  Not true. Rocky Linux is a Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation project. And on https://www.resf.org https://www.resf.org, you can see that RESF is backed by lots more folks than just CIQ.
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geerlingguy 3y ago
Bryan Cantrill had an insightful talk "Corporate Open Source Anti-Patterns" surrounding events from 8-12 years ago, and all I'll say is history definitely echoes sometimes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8P4oCIY3g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8P4oCIY3g

gangohango 3y ago

CIQ is rocky.

linuxftw 3y ago
I was thinking one of the distros was backed by CIQ, but I couldn't remember which, thanks.
- nhanlon 3y ago
  CIQ is a sponsor of Rocky (and my employer, to be transparent) - but they do not have a say over what Rocky does.
nhanlon 3y ago
We (RESF/Rocky) are _not_ CIQ, and do not take direction from CIQ. End of story.
- gareim 3y ago
  I knew you'd show up and say this. CIQ's CEO claims to have founded Rocky and is the current president of RESF, is Rocky's most prominent sponsor, and Rocky's recent moves have been in the same direction that CIQ requires in order to survive. Regardless of direct control or not, Rocky's financial incentives align with CIQ's. As you so point out your bias, it would be really nice if you didn't speak on behalf of your employer and let others make their own conclusions without hearing from those biased.
  - geerlingguy 3y ago
    It'd also be nice if employees of Red Hat wouldn't make personal attacks on folks affiliated with Rocky Linux (and to a greater extent CIQ), justified or not, but I can understand nhanlon's defensiveness, just as I understand the defensiveness from many on Red Hat's payroll surrounding everything the past month+.
    - ungamedplayer 3y ago
      Where is the personal attack?
      - geerlingguy 3y ago
        Elsewhere, mostly centered around Twitter, Reddit, and LinkedIn. Thankfully the comms have been more level-headed around these parts.
        chasil 3y ago
        I can tell you that redhat has conducted a hostile license audit at my corporate data center. This is one factor in my determination to never allow them into my regional data center. There are several other factors.
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CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
Not true. Rocky Linux is a Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation project. And on https://www.resf.org https://www.resf.org, you can see that RESF is backed by lots more folks than just CIQ.

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geerlingguy 3y ago

Bryan Cantrill had an insightful talk "Corporate Open Source Anti-Patterns" surrounding events from 8-12 years ago, and all I'll say is history definitely echoes sometimes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8P4oCIY3g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8P4oCIY3g