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It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based d

It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. * That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues. * The music that I was playing, it just keeps going * The garage door opener/lock/etc that I just added to HomeKit - automatically pops us.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
The best part is I do not have to worry about a third party vendor getting access to my smartphone’s data. For better or worse, the smartphone is a vault of almost everything about a person, including the ability to impersonate them. Obviously, Apple and Google already have access to all of this, but I see no reason to let yet another entity have it.
- shuckles 3y ago
  CarPlay is essentially a form of AirPlay, so the car is receiving a video stream from your phone, not data. (Of course, they could try to extract data from the video stream, but I doubt they have the technical skills to do that in the near future.)
outside1234 3y ago
Exactly. This is one of those terrible decisions that GM will have to retract. The only question is when. There is no way they are going to be able to compete with Apple or Google. Literally the worst software engineer at either of those companies is better than anyone GM has. Will make an interesting Harvard MBA case study.
csdvrx 3y ago
> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences too. > That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues Funny enough, getting a GPS without auto updates and offering a full offline experience is now a premium, but I'm happy to pay for the exact opposite of what you want: a GPS without auto navigation / user tracking / not being happy to work with old maps if I decide it should (customer is king, except for apps!)
- gopher2000 3y ago
  > I refuse to use a cellphone Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    > Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category. Like at all I guess? Or at least least 99% of the time? I'm not opposed to the idea owning a cellphone: I can have one, if it's without a cellphone plan and spends most of the time powered off inside a drawer. Then, as long as I'm not forced to interact with it say more than once a month, it's fine. I guess this technically doesn't qualify for the "not at all" since I sometimes use a cellphone to run magisk to root my android ebook
- scottyg66 3y ago
  > The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. I think you are firmly in the minority here and probably not the market they are building for. I bet much less than 1% of people who will buy a car in the next year refuse to use a cell phone.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  > The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. FYI, a car that supports CarPlay/Android Auto and a car that does not is indistinguishable to the person who does not connect a phone to the car. It is just an interface that allows your phone to use the touchscreen, but if you do not connect a phone, it continues to work.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  > I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like... All of these fancy headunits require a cell phone modem.... ----- CarPlay is entirely optional. Your headunit will have all of the basic still built in.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

The best part is I do not have to worry about a third party vendor getting access to my smartphone’s data. For better or worse, the smartphone is a vault of almost everything about a person, including the ability to impersonate them. Obviously, Apple and Google already have access to all of this, but I see no reason to let yet another entity have it.

shuckles 3y ago
CarPlay is essentially a form of AirPlay, so the car is receiving a video stream from your phone, not data. (Of course, they could try to extract data from the video stream, but I doubt they have the technical skills to do that in the near future.)

outside1234 3y ago

Exactly. This is one of those terrible decisions that GM will have to retract. The only question is when. There is no way they are going to be able to compete with Apple or Google. Literally the worst software engineer at either of those companies is better than anyone GM has. Will make an interesting Harvard MBA case study.

csdvrx 3y ago

> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences too. > That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues Funny enough, getting a GPS without auto updates and offering a full offline experience is now a premium, but I'm happy to pay for the exact opposite of what you want: a GPS without auto navigation / user tracking / not being happy to work with old maps if I decide it should (customer is king, except for apps!)

gopher2000 3y ago
> I refuse to use a cellphone Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category. Like at all I guess? Or at least least 99% of the time? I'm not opposed to the idea owning a cellphone: I can have one, if it's without a cellphone plan and spends most of the time powered off inside a drawer. Then, as long as I'm not forced to interact with it say more than once a month, it's fine. I guess this technically doesn't qualify for the "not at all" since I sometimes use a cellphone to run magisk to root my android ebook
scottyg66 3y ago
> The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. I think you are firmly in the minority here and probably not the market they are building for. I bet much less than 1% of people who will buy a car in the next year refuse to use a cell phone.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
> The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. FYI, a car that supports CarPlay/Android Auto and a car that does not is indistinguishable to the person who does not connect a phone to the car. It is just an interface that allows your phone to use the touchscreen, but if you do not connect a phone, it continues to work.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
> I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like... All of these fancy headunits require a cell phone modem.... ----- CarPlay is entirely optional. Your headunit will have all of the basic still built in.