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I am SUSE-curious after all the drama and lost trust with RedHat and IBM but any partnership with Oracle makes me uncomfortable.

by mulmen 3y ago

ghaff 3y ago
Well it was SCO back in the United Linux days--albeit it wasn't the evil SCO yet at that time. (Though as others have remarked, there's a different objective at play here.)
- pxc 3y ago
  Wym? SUSE was owned by Novell, not SCO. Evil SCO stabbed Novell and SUSE in the back.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    SUSE was bought by Novell later. Per Wikipedia: "United Linux was an attempt by a consortium of Linux distributors to create a common base distribution for enterprise use, so as to minimize duplication of engineering effort and form an effective competitor to Red Hat. The founding members of United Linux were SUSE, Turbolinux, Conectiva (now merged with MandrakeSoft to form Mandriva) and Caldera International (later renamed to The SCO Group). The consortium was announced on May 30, 2002. The end of the project was announced on January 22, 2004." It never really worked from a business perspective but Caldera becoming faux-SCO was pretty much the final straw.
Kaytaro 3y ago
I'd like to point out that SUSE has never made their source code as available as Red Hat, even after the changes that caused all the drama. The only way to get SLES source code is to sign up for a 90-day evaluation or request it by mail, whereas signing up for a free Red Hat account gives you full access indefinitely. Yet they accuse Red Hat of hurting the open source community by...operating the same way they've always done? It's frankly embarrassing how easy the tech communities been misled with these marketing campaigns. If IBM wasn't such an easy target, people might see this for what it is- a bad faith attempt to clone an open source project and siphon the sponsors customers with their own support contracts.
- yankcrime 3y ago
  This isn't true, it's publicly available at https://sources.suse.com https://sources.suse.com i.e https://sources.suse.com/SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA/ https://sources.suse.com/SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA/
  - Kaytaro 3y ago
    Interesting, it looks like based on internet archives that was quietly published shortly after the Centos announcements in 2021. Considering this was a reactionary step it doesn’t give me much faith that they’d react any differently from Red Hat if they were losing SLES customers to another corporations fork.
lemper 3y ago
to be actually honest and without any speck of trolling, I am at the opposite. I am actually planning to build a workstation and get a redhat enterprise workstation license. the only problem, though, they only have annual subscription. what I want is: one off license (just like windows desktop) and supporting a business entity's ongoing effort to curate and improve Linux ecosystem. why not donating a certain amount of money to some distros instead? there's an expected level of entitlement when it money's involved.
- lproven 3y ago
  Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.
  - lemper 3y ago
    what I want to buy is their updates. and the chance to scream at their customer service. /j
    - lproven 3y ago
      Former RH staffer here. I can tell you that even inside the company, everyone I knew who had the beginning of a clue ran Fedora. Only those with zero tech knowledge and who didn't want to learn ran RHEL... and they get it for free, obvs. Probably some RH folk will now pop up to tell me I am totally wrong and it's all changed. That is 100% normal. You can ignore them. I do. ;-)
  - 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
    https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-workstation#?sku=RH0958488 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-wor... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Starting at US$179 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server#?sku=RH00005 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-ser... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Total US$349

I am SUSE-curious after all the drama and lost trust with RedHat and IBM but any partnership with Oracle makes me uncomfortable.

by mulmen 3y ago

I am SUSE-curious after all the drama and lost trust with RedHat and IBM but any partnership with Oracle makes me uncomfortable.

ghaff 3y ago

Well it was SCO back in the United Linux days--albeit it wasn't the evil SCO yet at that time. (Though as others have remarked, there's a different objective at play here.)

pxc 3y ago
Wym? SUSE was owned by Novell, not SCO. Evil SCO stabbed Novell and SUSE in the back.
- ghaff 3y ago
  SUSE was bought by Novell later. Per Wikipedia: "United Linux was an attempt by a consortium of Linux distributors to create a common base distribution for enterprise use, so as to minimize duplication of engineering effort and form an effective competitor to Red Hat. The founding members of United Linux were SUSE, Turbolinux, Conectiva (now merged with MandrakeSoft to form Mandriva) and Caldera International (later renamed to The SCO Group). The consortium was announced on May 30, 2002. The end of the project was announced on January 22, 2004." It never really worked from a business perspective but Caldera becoming faux-SCO was pretty much the final straw.

Kaytaro 3y ago

I'd like to point out that SUSE has never made their source code as available as Red Hat, even after the changes that caused all the drama. The only way to get SLES source code is to sign up for a 90-day evaluation or request it by mail, whereas signing up for a free Red Hat account gives you full access indefinitely. Yet they accuse Red Hat of hurting the open source community by...operating the same way they've always done? It's frankly embarrassing how easy the tech communities been misled with these marketing campaigns. If IBM wasn't such an easy target, people might see this for what it is- a bad faith attempt to clone an open source project and siphon the sponsors customers with their own support contracts.

yankcrime 3y ago
This isn't true, it's publicly available at https://sources.suse.com https://sources.suse.com i.e https://sources.suse.com/SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA/ https://sources.suse.com/SUSE:SLE-15-SP5:GA/
- Kaytaro 3y ago
  Interesting, it looks like based on internet archives that was quietly published shortly after the Centos announcements in 2021. Considering this was a reactionary step it doesn’t give me much faith that they’d react any differently from Red Hat if they were losing SLES customers to another corporations fork.

lemper 3y ago

to be actually honest and without any speck of trolling, I am at the opposite. I am actually planning to build a workstation and get a redhat enterprise workstation license. the only problem, though, they only have annual subscription. what I want is: one off license (just like windows desktop) and supporting a business entity's ongoing effort to curate and improve Linux ecosystem. why not donating a certain amount of money to some distros instead? there's an expected level of entitlement when it money's involved.

lproven 3y ago
Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.
- lemper 3y ago
  what I want to buy is their updates. and the chance to scream at their customer service. /j
  - lproven 3y ago
    Former RH staffer here. I can tell you that even inside the company, everyone I knew who had the beginning of a clue ran Fedora. Only those with zero tech knowledge and who didn't want to learn ran RHEL... and they get it for free, obvs. Probably some RH folk will now pop up to tell me I am totally wrong and it's all changed. That is 100% normal. You can ignore them. I do. ;-)
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-workstation#?sku=RH0958488 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-wor... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Starting at US$179 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server#?sku=RH00005 https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-ser... > SELF-SUPPORT (1 YEAR) > Does not include Red Hat customer support. > Total US$349