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The problem with AI is its name. Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not - its just a computer program, with all the foibles

by Aloha 3y ago

The problem with AI is its name. Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not - its just a computer program, with all the foibles and difficulties of any other computer program. I run into this problem in my day job, yes, it looks like an appliance, but its still a computer and may need to be rebooted, you still need to practice good hygiene with it, and restart the application and or the operating system. People have no compunction about restarting their PC, and do not get upset when Excel has an issue, but they panic when the thing they think of as an appliance freaks out. Just reboot it, and let me know if it happens again in the same way.

whywhywhywhy 3y ago
> People have no compunction about restarting their PC Dunno about anyone else but it's usually a sign something has gone very wrong or about to go very wrong if I start seeing this on a modern PC. Don't consider "just reboot it" should be an expectation, get the same annoyance when a webdev tells me "It works if you reload it" nah they just means your code has issues.
perryizgr8 3y ago
> Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not Looking at recent developments, I'm not sure this assertion can be accepted without doubt. I would argue that LLMs like Chat GPT are definitely "intelligent" for many meanings of the word. They are not intelligent in exactly the same way we are, and they are very limited in what they can do, but there does seem to be some real reasoning going on. What a system experiences internally can never be confirmed by external entities. So I guess the best way to determine intelligence, reasoning, consciousness, is to ask them if they are intelligent, can perform reasoning and if they possess a consciousness.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > for many meanings of the word Except the demanding ones. Those for which you would judge something as "intelligent" or not. Beyond appearance. > I guess the best way ... is to ask them Not differently from asking a piece of paper and reading "Yes I am".
  - perryizgr8 3y ago
    > Not differently from asking a piece of paper and reading "Yes I am". Except you have to wonder who wrote it there :)
mdp2021 3y ago
> implies that its intelligent It only implies it does something """intelligent""", where 'intelligent' must be read intelligently.
antod 3y ago
>* Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not* There could be a wide range of interpretation of the words in that phrase. And every argument along these lines usually involves people with different interpretations or different background assumptions or tech savviness. To some those words could imply Intelligence of the Artificial thing - ie a non natural intelligence that is still intelligent. To others, it could imply that the Intelligence of the thing is Artificial - ie an imitation of intelligence and not real intelligence. HackerNews readers probably fall into this category. There's probably more ways. A little bit like how some people get wound up between Disabled Person and Person with Disabilities etc to try and distinguish between them.

by Aloha 3y ago

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

> People have no compunction about restarting their PC Dunno about anyone else but it's usually a sign something has gone very wrong or about to go very wrong if I start seeing this on a modern PC. Don't consider "just reboot it" should be an expectation, get the same annoyance when a webdev tells me "It works if you reload it" nah they just means your code has issues.

perryizgr8 3y ago

> Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not Looking at recent developments, I'm not sure this assertion can be accepted without doubt. I would argue that LLMs like Chat GPT are definitely "intelligent" for many meanings of the word. They are not intelligent in exactly the same way we are, and they are very limited in what they can do, but there does seem to be some real reasoning going on. What a system experiences internally can never be confirmed by external entities. So I guess the best way to determine intelligence, reasoning, consciousness, is to ask them if they are intelligent, can perform reasoning and if they possess a consciousness.

mdp2021 3y ago
> for many meanings of the word Except the demanding ones. Those for which you would judge something as "intelligent" or not. Beyond appearance. > I guess the best way ... is to ask them Not differently from asking a piece of paper and reading "Yes I am".
- perryizgr8 3y ago
  > Not differently from asking a piece of paper and reading "Yes I am". Except you have to wonder who wrote it there :)

mdp2021 3y ago

> implies that its intelligent It only implies it does something """intelligent""", where 'intelligent' must be read intelligently.

antod 3y ago

>* Artificial Inteligence implies that its intelligent and currently, its not* There could be a wide range of interpretation of the words in that phrase. And every argument along these lines usually involves people with different interpretations or different background assumptions or tech savviness. To some those words could imply Intelligence of the Artificial thing - ie a non natural intelligence that is still intelligent. To others, it could imply that the Intelligence of the thing is Artificial - ie an imitation of intelligence and not real intelligence. HackerNews readers probably fall into this category. There's probably more ways. A little bit like how some people get wound up between Disabled Person and Person with Disabilities etc to try and distinguish between them.