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For example?

throw-ru-938 3y ago
There's probably no hard proof, but Russia is allegedly funding far-right movements like AfD and whatever Le Pen's party in France is now called. Also, see the career of Gerhard Schroeder, first German chancellor and then a top Gazprom official.
- tri5635hhfgvv5r 3y ago
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  - oneshtein 3y ago
    Russia is very lucky that someone blown up their stopped pipe-line, because that saved them many billions in fines for violation of supply contract. They also very lucky that working pipeline is not blown up.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    Actually they are very credible; pretty much objective facts. Putin’s inner circle spokesman, Dmitri Peskov, had his daughter Elizaveta as an assistant to the far-right Aymeric Chauprade, a French Member of the European Parliament.[0] You will see “coincidentally” similar connections across major western powers like the UK, US, Germany, and Italy. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-spokesman-dmitry-peskov-working-far-right-french/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-s...
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      And much more direct evidence, like the time powerful US politicians spent OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY IN MOSCOW. Putin likes to make a show of things.
- com 3y ago
  The FN or whatever it’s called loan from a little-known Russian bank sound pretty wild: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-russian-bank-gave-marine-le-pens-party-a-loan-then-weird-things-began-happening/2018/12/27/960c7906-d320-11e8-a275-81c671a50422_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-rus...
civilitty 3y ago
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Co...
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Austria is the lobbying arm and safe heaven of Russian banks, oil & gas and oligarchs in the EU, and vice versa, Austrian banks and companies are heavily invested in Russia, and you don't just get to be a major investor in Russia without the bribes, connections and blessing of some very high up people in the government. Pretty sure plenty of German politicians were similarly cozy with Russia before.
- roenxi 3y ago
  While there will be obvious corruption involved in that, voting for access to cheap energy and access to foreign economies for investment are both things I'm in favour of. Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes. So corruption is bad in all its forms, but that corruption doesn't threaten me. A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coups. Speaking as an Australian, the next time we have a Whitlam-style dismissal I assume Google will be covertly involved. Yandex not so much. Similar logic would hold in the Americas, Asia, and most of Western Europe. It'd be fascinating to know what role US social media companies were playing in the 2014 Ukraine revolution too as a comparison to somewhere that is very much a place where Russia would want to weaponise Yandexq.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes. You can be warm in the winter without doing deals with "the devil", and most average Austrian people don't benefit from that corrupt "trade", just a few banks and oil execs and real estate moguls who get to become even richer, unless you're gonna tell that their immense riches will "trickle down" to us plebs, any minute now. >A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coups. Sure they do, which is why maintaining tech supremacy is a national security matter of the US, and an issue Europe doesn't get, that the more you fall behind in mainstream tech products and services, the more you are at the mercy of the US (and China). The fact that US companies own all the biggest cloud, social media and chat platforms, gives the US incredible leverage, that nobody else has.
chpatrick 3y ago
The son of a KGB agent and oligarch is a British lord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Lebedev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Lebedev
reducesuffering 3y ago
Putin spokesman’s daughter as assistant to French Member of European Parliament https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-spokesman-dmitry-peskov-working-far-right-french/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-s...
suslik 3y ago
For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56280898 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56280898 . She lives in Russia now.
throwaway290 3y ago
Plenty of examples of corruption trickling out... Take Boris Johnson's granting peerage to some Russian not long ago. Corruption is a trojan horse in capitalism, money matters which is OK with honestly earned money but when money is obtained by exploitation/violence/theft it infects the system because ultra rich oligarchs can use money to get influence. Before 2014 west (UK is known for it) couldn't resist Russian dirty money much, now they are learning slowly but unfortunately there's crypto to work around sanctions etc.
justinclift 3y ago
Properties in London? :)
dindobre 3y ago
Just by taking a look at EU politicians getting into russian companies (such as Gazprom) after their mandate should tell you a couple of things. Ever wondered how some countries became so dependent on russia?
chpatrick 3y ago
The former chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder went to work for Gazprom afterwards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der

For example?

There's probably no hard proof, but Russia is allegedly funding far-right movements like AfD and whatever Le Pen's party in France is now called. Also, see the career of Gerhard Schroeder, first German chancellor and then a top Gazprom official.

tri5635hhfgvv5r 3y ago
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- oneshtein 3y ago
  Russia is very lucky that someone blown up their stopped pipe-line, because that saved them many billions in fines for violation of supply contract. They also very lucky that working pipeline is not blown up.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  Actually they are very credible; pretty much objective facts. Putin’s inner circle spokesman, Dmitri Peskov, had his daughter Elizaveta as an assistant to the far-right Aymeric Chauprade, a French Member of the European Parliament.[0] You will see “coincidentally” similar connections across major western powers like the UK, US, Germany, and Italy. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-spokesman-dmitry-peskov-working-far-right-french/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-s...
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    And much more direct evidence, like the time powerful US politicians spent OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY IN MOSCOW. Putin likes to make a show of things.
com 3y ago
The FN or whatever it’s called loan from a little-known Russian bank sound pretty wild: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-russian-bank-gave-marine-le-pens-party-a-loan-then-weird-things-began-happening/2018/12/27/960c7906-d320-11e8-a275-81c671a50422_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-rus...

civilitty 3y ago

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Co...

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Austria is the lobbying arm and safe heaven of Russian banks, oil & gas and oligarchs in the EU, and vice versa, Austrian banks and companies are heavily invested in Russia, and you don't just get to be a major investor in Russia without the bribes, connections and blessing of some very high up people in the government. Pretty sure plenty of German politicians were similarly cozy with Russia before.

roenxi 3y ago
While there will be obvious corruption involved in that, voting for access to cheap energy and access to foreign economies for investment are both things I'm in favour of. Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes. So corruption is bad in all its forms, but that corruption doesn't threaten me. A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coups. Speaking as an Australian, the next time we have a Whitlam-style dismissal I assume Google will be covertly involved. Yandex not so much. Similar logic would hold in the Americas, Asia, and most of Western Europe. It'd be fascinating to know what role US social media companies were playing in the 2014 Ukraine revolution too as a comparison to somewhere that is very much a place where Russia would want to weaponise Yandexq.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Being warm in winter and being wealthy are both good outcomes. You can be warm in the winter without doing deals with "the devil", and most average Austrian people don't benefit from that corrupt "trade", just a few banks and oil execs and real estate moguls who get to become even richer, unless you're gonna tell that their immense riches will "trickle down" to us plebs, any minute now. >A pretty basic assumption about Google and Facebook is that the US 3 letter agencies use the data in coups. Sure they do, which is why maintaining tech supremacy is a national security matter of the US, and an issue Europe doesn't get, that the more you fall behind in mainstream tech products and services, the more you are at the mercy of the US (and China). The fact that US companies own all the biggest cloud, social media and chat platforms, gives the US incredible leverage, that nobody else has.

chpatrick 3y ago

The son of a KGB agent and oligarch is a British lord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Lebedev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Lebedev

reducesuffering 3y ago

Putin spokesman’s daughter as assistant to French Member of European Parliament https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-spokesman-dmitry-peskov-working-far-right-french/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/25/daughter-putin-s...

suslik 3y ago

For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56280898 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56280898 . She lives in Russia now.

throwaway290 3y ago

Plenty of examples of corruption trickling out... Take Boris Johnson's granting peerage to some Russian not long ago. Corruption is a trojan horse in capitalism, money matters which is OK with honestly earned money but when money is obtained by exploitation/violence/theft it infects the system because ultra rich oligarchs can use money to get influence. Before 2014 west (UK is known for it) couldn't resist Russian dirty money much, now they are learning slowly but unfortunately there's crypto to work around sanctions etc.

justinclift 3y ago

Properties in London? :)

dindobre 3y ago

Just by taking a look at EU politicians getting into russian companies (such as Gazprom) after their mandate should tell you a couple of things. Ever wondered how some countries became so dependent on russia?

chpatrick 3y ago

The former chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder went to work for Gazprom afterwards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der