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I call this a Horcrux. Also, unless your arbitrary number of friends are cryptographers, it's a sure way for them to collectively lose your shit.

by sshine 3y ago

atoav 3y ago
I'd say a regular will, sealed at a notary is just okay. If you are really paranoid, why not write a service that works like a dead mans switch and when you don't trigger it for n days it sends all the keys to the kingdom to those who should receive them.
- pr0zac 3y ago
  Google actually provides this service: https://myaccount.google.com/inactive?pli=1 https://myaccount.google.com/inactive?pli=1 At this point I've moved almost everything off Google and basically now only use my Gmail account for logins on websites I don't want to give my real email address to and to keep Inactive Account Manager setup to send the necessary info to get into my 1Password account to my brother if I die. I have a will setup with all my financial details and have set beneficiaries everywhere but this feels like a good backup in case I forget to update it with something or my family has trouble gaining access using other means.
  - ed 3y ago
    That’s a helpful link! Do you know if google allows access to Gmail once inactivity is triggered? Ideally my contacts could use it to recover access to my password manager.
    - pr0zac 3y ago
      You have the option to allow that yes. When you add people to be contacted you're able to granularly decide what parts of your google account they get access to and can optionally add a personal message as well.
  - hobo_mark 3y ago
    > The setting you are looking for is not available for your account. Google Apps strikes again...
- jagged-chisel 3y ago
  Step 1: Kidnap $target Step 2: keep for N+1 days Step 3: …* Step 4: profit! * where “…” just means “wait”
  - civilitty 3y ago
    Kidnapping $target works for just about every contingency once you include $hammer.
  - hospadar 3y ago
    Why bother waiting!? https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
__s 3y ago
Only a couple need to be into cryptography. You can setup so than N-of-M keys work, so that you're resilient to M-N losing their key You can have 2-of-20 which encrypts an encrypted blob whose key you share in your will
Someone 3y ago
Create transparencies with the text If you put at least 3 of these on top of each other, my Google recovery code will appear here: 2 £ 3 > ]7 7#A E (each with different characters shown, of course. Ask a mathematician to make sure any 3 will show the full code, and any 2 won’t show enough to recover it) Put them in envelopes, write “open in case John Doe dies” on them, and distribute them among friends. If you distribute enough of them, I think there’s a reasonable chance they’ll recover your data. As an improvement, distribute them not to your friends, but to their kids (the probability is higher they’ll be sane of mind when you die), and tell your attorney who has one. I think that’s overkill, though. I’ve done it simpler: I wrote the full recovery codes down a few times and put them in a few places in my house. I think that’s fine if I assume burglars won’t take them or won’t know what to do with them and I won’t die in a disaster that also destroys my house.
- DicIfTEx 3y ago
  > I think that’s fine if I assume … I won’t die in a disaster that also destroys my house. You might not die, but you might still end up in a pretty bad position: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/06/ive-locked-myself-out-of-my-digital-life/ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/06/ive-locked-myself-out-of-my... Incredibly unlikely, of course, but you'll certainly feel like a dick if it does happen.
  - Macha 3y ago
    As someone who _has_ had their house burn down and had to recover their digital life from backups (successfully), this is why I've not made the step to yubikeys.

I call this a Horcrux. Also, unless your arbitrary number of friends are cryptographers, it's a sure way for them to collectively lose your shit.

by sshine 3y ago

I call this a Horcrux. Also, unless your arbitrary number of friends are cryptographers, it's a sure way for them to collectively lose your shit.

atoav 3y ago

I'd say a regular will, sealed at a notary is just okay. If you are really paranoid, why not write a service that works like a dead mans switch and when you don't trigger it for n days it sends all the keys to the kingdom to those who should receive them.

pr0zac 3y ago
Google actually provides this service: https://myaccount.google.com/inactive?pli=1 https://myaccount.google.com/inactive?pli=1 At this point I've moved almost everything off Google and basically now only use my Gmail account for logins on websites I don't want to give my real email address to and to keep Inactive Account Manager setup to send the necessary info to get into my 1Password account to my brother if I die. I have a will setup with all my financial details and have set beneficiaries everywhere but this feels like a good backup in case I forget to update it with something or my family has trouble gaining access using other means.
- ed 3y ago
  That’s a helpful link! Do you know if google allows access to Gmail once inactivity is triggered? Ideally my contacts could use it to recover access to my password manager.
  - pr0zac 3y ago
    You have the option to allow that yes. When you add people to be contacted you're able to granularly decide what parts of your google account they get access to and can optionally add a personal message as well.
- hobo_mark 3y ago
  > The setting you are looking for is not available for your account. Google Apps strikes again...
jagged-chisel 3y ago
Step 1: Kidnap $target Step 2: keep for N+1 days Step 3: …* Step 4: profit! * where “…” just means “wait”
- civilitty 3y ago
  Kidnapping $target works for just about every contingency once you include $hammer.
- hospadar 3y ago
  Why bother waiting!? https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

__s 3y ago

Only a couple need to be into cryptography. You can setup so than N-of-M keys work, so that you're resilient to M-N losing their key You can have 2-of-20 which encrypts an encrypted blob whose key you share in your will

Someone 3y ago

Create transparencies with the text If you put at least 3 of these on top of each other, my Google recovery code will appear here: 2 £ 3 > ]7 7#A E (each with different characters shown, of course. Ask a mathematician to make sure any 3 will show the full code, and any 2 won’t show enough to recover it) Put them in envelopes, write “open in case John Doe dies” on them, and distribute them among friends. If you distribute enough of them, I think there’s a reasonable chance they’ll recover your data. As an improvement, distribute them not to your friends, but to their kids (the probability is higher they’ll be sane of mind when you die), and tell your attorney who has one. I think that’s overkill, though. I’ve done it simpler: I wrote the full recovery codes down a few times and put them in a few places in my house. I think that’s fine if I assume burglars won’t take them or won’t know what to do with them and I won’t die in a disaster that also destroys my house.

DicIfTEx 3y ago
> I think that’s fine if I assume … I won’t die in a disaster that also destroys my house. You might not die, but you might still end up in a pretty bad position: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/06/ive-locked-myself-out-of-my-digital-life/ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/06/ive-locked-myself-out-of-my... Incredibly unlikely, of course, but you'll certainly feel like a dick if it does happen.
- Macha 3y ago
  As someone who _has_ had their house burn down and had to recover their digital life from backups (successfully), this is why I've not made the step to yubikeys.