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Really need to see more of this attitude in the workplace. I'd like to think it's not controversial but I'm surprised at how often it seems to be overlooked fo

Really need to see more of this attitude in the workplace. I'd like to think it's not controversial but I'm surprised at how often it seems to be overlooked for workplace romances as well.

pc86 3y ago
I think it will make a resurgence. In boom times when you could work somewhere for 6 months then go anywhere else and make a 10-15% raise, there was at least some validity in the "if you don't like it, don't work here" argument. But if the employment market tightens, or if a) we actually have a recession and b) it meaningfully affects the tech sector (which seems to be unlikely regardless of the broader economy), you'll see people start to behave as if they can't be guaranteed a job somewhere.
- backendanon 3y ago
  > you'll see people start to behave as if they can't be guaranteed a job somewhere. I'm trying to follow the thread, are you saying that people who don't want to have every mouse click tracked or their private home network, outside the work VPN searched, are behaving in an entitled manor?
  - pc86 3y ago
    No. It's reasonable to expect some sort of fluidity in what employees are willing to accept from employers, and part of what factors into that is how easy it is to get another job. If it's very difficult to go to another employer, employees will naturally accept more "bad" things from their employers than they might if they could make a phone call and get another job.
  - mikrl 3y ago
    >are you saying that people who don't want… are behaving in an entitled manor? It’s not about entitlement, justice or any of that. This is capitalism. It is about raw power and pragmatism and what one can get away with. When the employee has the upper hand as in a hot market, they have some wiggle room. When the employer has the upper hand, the landscape shifts accordingly. Unions are unpopular in our industry, but are typically how employees in most sectors have increased their power. Employer cartels and the state are how employers increase theirs. Adam Smith covered it all about 250 years ago in the Wealth of Nations, a fantastic read if you can stomach the archaic writing style.

Really need to see more of this attitude in the workplace. I'd like to think it's not controversial but I'm surprised at how often it seems to be overlooked for workplace romances as well.

pc86 3y ago

I think it will make a resurgence. In boom times when you could work somewhere for 6 months then go anywhere else and make a 10-15% raise, there was at least some validity in the "if you don't like it, don't work here" argument. But if the employment market tightens, or if a) we actually have a recession and b) it meaningfully affects the tech sector (which seems to be unlikely regardless of the broader economy), you'll see people start to behave as if they can't be guaranteed a job somewhere.

backendanon 3y ago
> you'll see people start to behave as if they can't be guaranteed a job somewhere. I'm trying to follow the thread, are you saying that people who don't want to have every mouse click tracked or their private home network, outside the work VPN searched, are behaving in an entitled manor?
- pc86 3y ago
  No. It's reasonable to expect some sort of fluidity in what employees are willing to accept from employers, and part of what factors into that is how easy it is to get another job. If it's very difficult to go to another employer, employees will naturally accept more "bad" things from their employers than they might if they could make a phone call and get another job.
- mikrl 3y ago
  >are you saying that people who don't want… are behaving in an entitled manor? It’s not about entitlement, justice or any of that. This is capitalism. It is about raw power and pragmatism and what one can get away with. When the employee has the upper hand as in a hot market, they have some wiggle room. When the employer has the upper hand, the landscape shifts accordingly. Unions are unpopular in our industry, but are typically how employees in most sectors have increased their power. Employer cartels and the state are how employers increase theirs. Adam Smith covered it all about 250 years ago in the Wealth of Nations, a fantastic read if you can stomach the archaic writing style.