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As russian, when I encounter people comparing the state of media in Russia to the worst excesses of government influence in media in US like they are comparable

As russian, when I encounter people comparing the state of media in Russia to the worst excesses of government influence in media in US like they are comparable - I think to myself “what a bunch of fucking idiots”. It’s the same ignorant halfwit crowd that compares minor inconvenience to Holocaust, having to follow an HOA rule to Stalin’s repressions, and anyone telling them what they don’t like to Hitler. I live in US now and I complain periodically about various imperfect, unfair, annoying things that are associated with any society. Humans suck. They are selfish and dishonest in large proportions, some of the time. But what is happening right now in Russia has brought back into focus for me and reminded me just how much better the West is. Fucking treasure it while you have it.

doubelstandard 3y ago
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- dep_b 3y ago
  He's rude but right though. Nothing in the West is even closely comparable to what is happening to Russia nowadays let alone the First and Second World War. People that say the West is about as bad as Russia really don't have any sense of what is really going on in the world and really can be defined as "idiots" in the context of this discussion. A person actually from Russia that also lived in the West usually has a bit better perspective on these matters.
  - doubelstandard 3y ago
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undefinedland 3y ago
As a person with Polish heritage, it's interesting how we see things differently. Best of luck to you. Edit: I live in Australia.
- VincentEvans 3y ago
  Perhaps the difference is having heritage vs having lived for a large portion of life and still having ties and relatives there? Also, please elaborate. How does does having come from Poland figure into this conversation? You yearn for Soviet rule and hate what capitalism stands for? Or sympathize with Russian justifications for their aggression against a neighbor state and their own people? I can only speculate lacking any detail.
  - undefinedland 3y ago
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    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > As to this particular war - the US agreed at the end of the cold war not to expand NATO east and yet it did, breaking the agreement. This is a persistent myth, there was never an agreement to not expand NATO with the USSR, and the one person who would know at the time Mikhail Gorbachev has said as much. > At multiple points during this war, the Russians have offered to negotiate. Instead, the US has responded with "to the last Ukrainian". The Ukrainians where negotiating regarding the war then the Russians where pushed out of a number of cities that they held and we saw the horrific scene they left behind. That is likely the point that the Ukrainian's decided that there would be no negotiating. > Today, Russia is essentially also arguing for pre-emptive war but the reasoning - putting American missiles and forces in Ukraine - is a hell of a lot plausible. Yet theres no war against Finland is there, and there will be US soldiers in Finland far before they are ever in Ukraine. > The fact that there has been not one effort to negotiate by the Americans shows that the West isn't interested in peace or the interests of Ukrainians - they simply want a country naive and suicidal enough to throw themselves against the Russian subhumans. There has been an effort to negotiate by the Americans, which ironically angered a large number of people as it happened behind the backs of Ukraine by using back channels.
wuliwong 3y ago
You are making analogies between things that are not alike. A person comparing an HOA rule to Stalin's repressions is consciously being hyperbolic. I think your issue with OPs comparison of media influence by the US and Russian governments is you think OP believes them to be similar.

doubelstandard 3y ago

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dep_b 3y ago
He's rude but right though. Nothing in the West is even closely comparable to what is happening to Russia nowadays let alone the First and Second World War. People that say the West is about as bad as Russia really don't have any sense of what is really going on in the world and really can be defined as "idiots" in the context of this discussion. A person actually from Russia that also lived in the West usually has a bit better perspective on these matters.
- doubelstandard 3y ago
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undefinedland 3y ago

As a person with Polish heritage, it's interesting how we see things differently. Best of luck to you. Edit: I live in Australia.

VincentEvans 3y ago
Perhaps the difference is having heritage vs having lived for a large portion of life and still having ties and relatives there? Also, please elaborate. How does does having come from Poland figure into this conversation? You yearn for Soviet rule and hate what capitalism stands for? Or sympathize with Russian justifications for their aggression against a neighbor state and their own people? I can only speculate lacking any detail.
- undefinedland 3y ago
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  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > As to this particular war - the US agreed at the end of the cold war not to expand NATO east and yet it did, breaking the agreement. This is a persistent myth, there was never an agreement to not expand NATO with the USSR, and the one person who would know at the time Mikhail Gorbachev has said as much. > At multiple points during this war, the Russians have offered to negotiate. Instead, the US has responded with "to the last Ukrainian". The Ukrainians where negotiating regarding the war then the Russians where pushed out of a number of cities that they held and we saw the horrific scene they left behind. That is likely the point that the Ukrainian's decided that there would be no negotiating. > Today, Russia is essentially also arguing for pre-emptive war but the reasoning - putting American missiles and forces in Ukraine - is a hell of a lot plausible. Yet theres no war against Finland is there, and there will be US soldiers in Finland far before they are ever in Ukraine. > The fact that there has been not one effort to negotiate by the Americans shows that the West isn't interested in peace or the interests of Ukrainians - they simply want a country naive and suicidal enough to throw themselves against the Russian subhumans. There has been an effort to negotiate by the Americans, which ironically angered a large number of people as it happened behind the backs of Ukraine by using back channels.

wuliwong 3y ago

You are making analogies between things that are not alike. A person comparing an HOA rule to Stalin's repressions is consciously being hyperbolic. I think your issue with OPs comparison of media influence by the US and Russian governments is you think OP believes them to be similar.