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While he maintained an office in Russia, for everyone to see, while denying that publicly.

• dijit 3y ago
  Possibly the easiest thing to exist in error or for the state to fabricate and yet you didn’t even provide a citation. tsk Dude is literally living in exile, yet you claim allegiance by him being affiliated with Russia, when his only crime here was being born in there and thus having some ties. Seems crazy to me. Like, cold-war propaganda crazy. this idea that Telegram is somehow nebulously “the enemy” and signal is “the virtuous” is so patently and clearly a propaganda campaign and we fall right into it.
  • throwaway473825 3y ago
    The point of Signal having end-to-end encryption is to avoid trust. Telegram, on the other hand, relies on trust. Obviously that's going to attract more criticism.
    • dijit 3y ago
      That argument doesn't work when you cant reliably distribute and run your own clients and given that they (Signal) have hidden updates for over a year to work on mobilecoin in the dark (proving their willingness and ability to do this) it leaves little left for that argument; theres also a bunch of other stuff but that is meaningless to get into. The point is that Signal mostly also boils down to: “trust us”. On the other hand, while you are totally right about Telegram being quite a bit “trust us”; but they have better UX and are not at all hostile to third party clients and alternative implementations of their “secure” messaging protocol. Which is also the subject of a lot of controversy of course, because (*puts on tinfoil hat*) it was originally handrolled and not US cryptographer approved. (always get downvoted when I point out that Signal is doing weird stuff which only serves really to solidify my stance)