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I'm not having kids because I expect the world they would live in by the time they would be adults will be too dystopian. Even more dystopian than it is already

I'm not having kids because I expect the world they would live in by the time they would be adults will be too dystopian. Even more dystopian than it is already. I opine that we humans increasingly shape our living situation such that it causes friction with our nature, our primitive psychology and biology. This friction causes increasing unhappiness. When I first realized this in my early twenties I was able to vastly increase my happiness (up to a bearable level, luckily) by removing many such man-made unnatural aspects from my life. However, I expect that the ability to remove oneself from or avoid man-made degeneracies will be extremely difficult or impossible in a matter of decades. Even my unborn children I love too much to force them into that. Given these expectations I consider it selfish to the degree of evil to have children. Mind, I do not consider it selfish or evil to have children. Only if you do it with the expectation that they will live in a virtual hell. I do generally enjoy life, spending time with friends and family, working on a project I am passionate about, pursuing interests, making an effort to be healthy. However, I expect that the degeneracy will increase to a point where a person's happiness would be net negative.

RhysU 3y ago
> avoid man-made degeneracies will be extremely difficult or impossible in a matter of decades So move now to somewhere you expect to be long-term viable before the crunch...?
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  easier said than done; you don't get to shop around for citizenship. it's not like you can just get permanent residency most places by showing up. even with points-based systems like Australia and Canada the level of effort is high and often not guaranteed.
  - RhysU 3y ago
    If the alternative is that unsavory, just show up. It works for literally millions of people.
aziaziazi 3y ago
> I consider it selfish to the degree of evil to have children (How) Do you communicate this consideration with people that made children recently? I have the same feeling but humans have a strong paternal/maternal instinct (which is great), conversation suffers as a result.
- oerdier 3y ago
  I only communicate this consideration to people I am certain of are able to be open for argumentation, despite them probably not sharing the same belief. In public the only place I have communicated this consideration is right here. Privately I have communicated this consideration with family and close friends. One of these friends has started actively trying to make babies with his girlfriend after we first started discussing this topic. We have discussed it after he started trying. We have a friendly discussion about it, then move on to another topic. I find conversation does not suffer at all. That is, with the people I have carefully chosen to discuss this with. I can imagine conversation would suffer with most people I would strike up a conversation with in let's say a supermarket.

RhysU 3y ago

> avoid man-made degeneracies will be extremely difficult or impossible in a matter of decades So move now to somewhere you expect to be long-term viable before the crunch...?

red-iron-pine 3y ago
easier said than done; you don't get to shop around for citizenship. it's not like you can just get permanent residency most places by showing up. even with points-based systems like Australia and Canada the level of effort is high and often not guaranteed.
- RhysU 3y ago
  If the alternative is that unsavory, just show up. It works for literally millions of people.

aziaziazi 3y ago

> I consider it selfish to the degree of evil to have children (How) Do you communicate this consideration with people that made children recently? I have the same feeling but humans have a strong paternal/maternal instinct (which is great), conversation suffers as a result.

oerdier 3y ago
I only communicate this consideration to people I am certain of are able to be open for argumentation, despite them probably not sharing the same belief. In public the only place I have communicated this consideration is right here. Privately I have communicated this consideration with family and close friends. One of these friends has started actively trying to make babies with his girlfriend after we first started discussing this topic. We have discussed it after he started trying. We have a friendly discussion about it, then move on to another topic. I find conversation does not suffer at all. That is, with the people I have carefully chosen to discuss this with. I can imagine conversation would suffer with most people I would strike up a conversation with in let's say a supermarket.