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US keeps toppling democratic goverments then pretends to be the champion of democracy worldwide.

binarray2000 3y ago
While supporting every dictator which serves its interests. It is a sham. And the mask is off, for the whole world to see the true face.
- justinclift 3y ago
  It's been off for years, with no apparent effect. :/
  - blitzar 3y ago
    decades
ironborn123 3y ago
Not going to say US behavior is morally sound in this case, but - US has provided significant financial assistance here, and if it doesnt get any say in return, it has no incentive to provide continued help. - As far as hegemons so, US has been the least bad in world history. Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
- xbmcuser 3y ago
  They are champions of democracy but the leader of the most popular party is being railroaded in false cases their silence more than anything tells us what is going on. How come they are not saying anything apart from it being a countries internal matter when a democracy is being destroyed but had statements about human rights every week against the previous democratic government.
  - binarray2000 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - stormfather 3y ago
      Age will probably moderate this absolutist thinking. A government is just a collection of people. Many good, many bad. For instance, why did the British ban slavery? How did that serve to "subjugate the disobedient"?
  - ironborn123 3y ago
    [flagged]
- blitzar 3y ago
  > - US has provided significant financial assistance here, and if it doesnt get any say in return, it has no incentive to provide continued help. Text book bribery.
  - SR2Z 3y ago
    You can't bribe an entire state. I don't mean that in a philosophical sense; I mean that any state gets to decide what's legitimate support and what's bribery.
- CrackerNews 3y ago
  Kind of hard to argue for the least bad when there's been pro-US death squads cracking down on their opposition.
mlazos 3y ago
Comments like this irk me, obviously if the US has a choice here, allow Pakistan to remain non-aligned but democratic or closely aligned and non-democratic, one of these choices is better for advancing US interests. The cable itself barely says anything: “hey if you put friendly people in power we will be friendly” If the US purely operated on principle I wouldn’t be surprised if we had many more enemies than we do now, politics is about trade offs, it’s not black and white. Fwiw I don’t think it’s morally right necessarily, but these kinds of decisions happen all the time in diplomacy, it’s really easy to arm chair criticize decisions but getting the alignment of all of these countries against Russia is a difficult problem.

binarray2000 3y ago

While supporting every dictator which serves its interests. It is a sham. And the mask is off, for the whole world to see the true face.

justinclift 3y ago
It's been off for years, with no apparent effect. :/
- blitzar 3y ago
  decades

ironborn123 3y ago

Not going to say US behavior is morally sound in this case, but - US has provided significant financial assistance here, and if it doesnt get any say in return, it has no incentive to provide continued help. - As far as hegemons so, US has been the least bad in world history. Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

xbmcuser 3y ago
They are champions of democracy but the leader of the most popular party is being railroaded in false cases their silence more than anything tells us what is going on. How come they are not saying anything apart from it being a countries internal matter when a democracy is being destroyed but had statements about human rights every week against the previous democratic government.
- binarray2000 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - stormfather 3y ago
    Age will probably moderate this absolutist thinking. A government is just a collection of people. Many good, many bad. For instance, why did the British ban slavery? How did that serve to "subjugate the disobedient"?
- ironborn123 3y ago
  [flagged]
blitzar 3y ago
> - US has provided significant financial assistance here, and if it doesnt get any say in return, it has no incentive to provide continued help. Text book bribery.
- SR2Z 3y ago
  You can't bribe an entire state. I don't mean that in a philosophical sense; I mean that any state gets to decide what's legitimate support and what's bribery.
CrackerNews 3y ago
Kind of hard to argue for the least bad when there's been pro-US death squads cracking down on their opposition.

mlazos 3y ago

Comments like this irk me, obviously if the US has a choice here, allow Pakistan to remain non-aligned but democratic or closely aligned and non-democratic, one of these choices is better for advancing US interests. The cable itself barely says anything: “hey if you put friendly people in power we will be friendly” If the US purely operated on principle I wouldn’t be surprised if we had many more enemies than we do now, politics is about trade offs, it’s not black and white. Fwiw I don’t think it’s morally right necessarily, but these kinds of decisions happen all the time in diplomacy, it’s really easy to arm chair criticize decisions but getting the alignment of all of these countries against Russia is a difficult problem.