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If gig company A had to employ your Dad as a part time or full time employee with guaranteed minimum wage or work hours and other benefits he wouldn't have a jo

If gig company A had to employ your Dad as a part time or full time employee with guaranteed minimum wage or work hours and other benefits he wouldn't have a job.

qbasic_forever 3y ago
The demand for food delivery still exists and plenty of other companies would fill the void, that's how the free market works. Right now these apps are exploiting workers so they can pocket more money for shareholders and paper over a failing business model.
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  However they would have no incentives to hire people who prefer highly flexible work hours and would force his dad to work fixed shifts which clearly not something many gig workers prefer (and I’m sure many of them would prefer higher grade pay for instance than whatever you’re proposing).
- kelnos 3y ago
  Love how you talk about the "free market" here, but also insist that certain types of employment should be illegal. (As an aside: we don't have a free market. Such a thing doesn't actually exist in the real world.) I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Certainly there's some legal regime where workers can continue to enjoy the kind of work time flexibility they have with gig work, while also being compensated and treated fairly.
komali2 3y ago
If the best the current system can offer is "either debase yourself like a peasant into multiple gig jobs that regularly screw you, or, be homeless, and sorry there's just nothing we can do about that" eventually people are going to start considering other systems. Social unrest is bad for business. I'm not sure why companies keep turning the screws when profits are at record highs.
- chongli 3y ago
  To be honest, I think Skip and Uber Eats are either struggling or in a seasonal down cycle right now. Very few orders coming in, and it’s not just my dad. He talks to the other drivers out there and they say the same thing. I think on the one hand maybe a lot of people are away on summer vacation so not ordering food as often. On the other hand, interest rates in Canada have shot through the roof, so maybe a lot of people are cutting back on ordering in and choosing to cook more to save money. Unfortunately, interest rates also affect my dad, so he’s getting squeezed pretty hard. I can’t blame the gig companies for that though, that’s the Bank of Canada’s doing.
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Both cost so much more than dieect order and pickup that it's getting close to cheaper to take a cab to get it direct from the shop, right? I know I have never ordered from either because I was immediately aghast at the massive markup over the regular price for the products...
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  Considering current labor shortages it wouldn’t be at all unreasonable to conclude that many gig workers do this because they actually prefer the flexibility these app provides to working fix shifts with almost no way to influence tour schedules yourself. All these champagne socialists seem to ignore that for some reason..
  - komali2 3y ago
    In some ways gig work can provide a level autonomy not normally available to the people taking gig work, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that gig workers are exploited, and that's bad. If the alternative is more degrading forms of labor, with businesses sneaking around full time protections by only giving people 30 hours of work, and paying an absurdly low minimum wage, that's hardly an indictment of the idea of strong labor protections - quite the opposite. Why did you bring up socialism? Are you saying capitalism can't provide good labor conditions and we need socialism to do so? Extremely based take.
troupo 3y ago
The only reason Uber exists to begin with is because they: - have unlimited VC money (35 billion in operational losses over 10 years) - offload things like medical insurance, depreciation, equipment costs etc. onto people who work for them - screw over restaurants I can't see how it's a net benefit
- PixyMisa 3y ago
  Uber is a terrible company, yes. Always has been.
  - frollo 3y ago
    That's true for basically all the "gig economy" apps, which are just enormous money sinks which fuck over (disrupt, according to their propaganda) whatever market they enter and then either collapse leaving a rotting corpse where a functional market used to exist or become monopolists and then proceed to level the market in order to milk it up as much as possible. And then they collapse anyway. If we had any kind of sense, as a society, this shit would have been banned years ago.

If gig company A had to employ your Dad as a part time or full time employee with guaranteed minimum wage or work hours and other benefits he wouldn't have a job.

qbasic_forever 3y ago

The demand for food delivery still exists and plenty of other companies would fill the void, that's how the free market works. Right now these apps are exploiting workers so they can pocket more money for shareholders and paper over a failing business model.

ffhhttt 3y ago
However they would have no incentives to hire people who prefer highly flexible work hours and would force his dad to work fixed shifts which clearly not something many gig workers prefer (and I’m sure many of them would prefer higher grade pay for instance than whatever you’re proposing).
kelnos 3y ago
Love how you talk about the "free market" here, but also insist that certain types of employment should be illegal. (As an aside: we don't have a free market. Such a thing doesn't actually exist in the real world.) I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Certainly there's some legal regime where workers can continue to enjoy the kind of work time flexibility they have with gig work, while also being compensated and treated fairly.

komali2 3y ago

If the best the current system can offer is "either debase yourself like a peasant into multiple gig jobs that regularly screw you, or, be homeless, and sorry there's just nothing we can do about that" eventually people are going to start considering other systems. Social unrest is bad for business. I'm not sure why companies keep turning the screws when profits are at record highs.

chongli 3y ago
To be honest, I think Skip and Uber Eats are either struggling or in a seasonal down cycle right now. Very few orders coming in, and it’s not just my dad. He talks to the other drivers out there and they say the same thing. I think on the one hand maybe a lot of people are away on summer vacation so not ordering food as often. On the other hand, interest rates in Canada have shot through the roof, so maybe a lot of people are cutting back on ordering in and choosing to cook more to save money. Unfortunately, interest rates also affect my dad, so he’s getting squeezed pretty hard. I can’t blame the gig companies for that though, that’s the Bank of Canada’s doing.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Both cost so much more than dieect order and pickup that it's getting close to cheaper to take a cab to get it direct from the shop, right? I know I have never ordered from either because I was immediately aghast at the massive markup over the regular price for the products...
ffhhttt 3y ago
Considering current labor shortages it wouldn’t be at all unreasonable to conclude that many gig workers do this because they actually prefer the flexibility these app provides to working fix shifts with almost no way to influence tour schedules yourself. All these champagne socialists seem to ignore that for some reason..
- komali2 3y ago
  In some ways gig work can provide a level autonomy not normally available to the people taking gig work, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that gig workers are exploited, and that's bad. If the alternative is more degrading forms of labor, with businesses sneaking around full time protections by only giving people 30 hours of work, and paying an absurdly low minimum wage, that's hardly an indictment of the idea of strong labor protections - quite the opposite. Why did you bring up socialism? Are you saying capitalism can't provide good labor conditions and we need socialism to do so? Extremely based take.

troupo 3y ago

The only reason Uber exists to begin with is because they: - have unlimited VC money (35 billion in operational losses over 10 years) - offload things like medical insurance, depreciation, equipment costs etc. onto people who work for them - screw over restaurants I can't see how it's a net benefit

PixyMisa 3y ago
Uber is a terrible company, yes. Always has been.
- frollo 3y ago
  That's true for basically all the "gig economy" apps, which are just enormous money sinks which fuck over (disrupt, according to their propaganda) whatever market they enter and then either collapse leaving a rotting corpse where a functional market used to exist or become monopolists and then proceed to level the market in order to milk it up as much as possible. And then they collapse anyway. If we had any kind of sense, as a society, this shit would have been banned years ago.