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And Uber would have a terrible time finding employees in a university area where most of the local population and workforce is beholden to a part time class sch

And Uber would have a terrible time finding employees in a university area where most of the local population and workforce is beholden to a part time class schedule. It would leave them open for a competitor who values and works with part time workers to swoop in and eat Uber's lunch.

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komali2 3y ago
Or, we discover that we can't really have on-demand food delivery without a level of human suffering we find unacceptable, and it goes away. Uber dies. So what?
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  How is fixed shift work any better in the regard? Does Amazon treat it’s driver better than uber?
ffhhttt 3y ago
There is no way these part time workers would ever have as much flexibility as they have under the current model though.
vasco 3y ago
If you're so sure about how to create a better business that all the employees would prefer why don't you do it instead of speaking about things you clearly don't know about? You've been told multiple time people value flexibility and yet you keep fixating on an old work model that you want to apply to everyone. More options are better. Full time jobs didn't go away. This whole industry didn't exist other than getting paid per shift as a pizza delivery driver. How many gig workers do you personally know? I know more than 20 and all of them prefer gig work to signing up for a full time delivery position at a restaurant. Gig work is available to immigrants super fast as well. Go to any major city in Europe and see migrants and refugees making a living delivering food. Do you think they are dumb and choose the worst job they can get? Talk to some people before you pontificate over what they should want for themselves. They can literally stop the app at any point so your problem isn't that gig work exists, but that other people value things you don't.
- oblio 3y ago
  > Gig work is available to immigrants super fast as well. Go to any major city in Europe and see migrants and refugees making a living delivering food. Do you think they are dumb and choose the worst job they can get? Frequently it's their only option, the only job the have access to, so in a way, you're right. They're not dumb, just constrained.
  - vasco 3y ago
    What's the alternative, getting rid of the only jobs that are flexible enough for people that have constraints? Not everyone can work part time or full time, that's the point being made all over the thread. The freshly-arrived immigrant is just one example. There's other examples in the thread, and I know people that do it around their kids' schedule to supplement their income, that use it as a side-job so they have funds to start their business or fund a hobby, etc. One can stay here debating all along why people get to those situations in the first place, and that normal jobs shouldn't require extra work, or that immigrants should be able to find easy "normal" jobs etc, but the point stands for me that a world where I can pick from three options (full-time, part-time, gig) is better than a world where I can only pick from two. That being said, I'm supportive of more regulation around gig-work to protect gig-workers, but that regulation needs to be specific to gig work and not just force it to disappear outright. A gig-worker shouldn't be able to be kicked out without explanation, there should be recourse for customer ratings, they should be covered by some kind of global insurance, etc, but these things will need to be tweaked to this new reality instead of us pretending like there aren't many many people around the world that prefer this work arrangement.

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komali2 3y ago

Or, we discover that we can't really have on-demand food delivery without a level of human suffering we find unacceptable, and it goes away. Uber dies. So what?

ffhhttt 3y ago
How is fixed shift work any better in the regard? Does Amazon treat it’s driver better than uber?

ffhhttt 3y ago

There is no way these part time workers would ever have as much flexibility as they have under the current model though.

vasco 3y ago

If you're so sure about how to create a better business that all the employees would prefer why don't you do it instead of speaking about things you clearly don't know about? You've been told multiple time people value flexibility and yet you keep fixating on an old work model that you want to apply to everyone. More options are better. Full time jobs didn't go away. This whole industry didn't exist other than getting paid per shift as a pizza delivery driver. How many gig workers do you personally know? I know more than 20 and all of them prefer gig work to signing up for a full time delivery position at a restaurant. Gig work is available to immigrants super fast as well. Go to any major city in Europe and see migrants and refugees making a living delivering food. Do you think they are dumb and choose the worst job they can get? Talk to some people before you pontificate over what they should want for themselves. They can literally stop the app at any point so your problem isn't that gig work exists, but that other people value things you don't.

oblio 3y ago
> Gig work is available to immigrants super fast as well. Go to any major city in Europe and see migrants and refugees making a living delivering food. Do you think they are dumb and choose the worst job they can get? Frequently it's their only option, the only job the have access to, so in a way, you're right. They're not dumb, just constrained.
- vasco 3y ago
  What's the alternative, getting rid of the only jobs that are flexible enough for people that have constraints? Not everyone can work part time or full time, that's the point being made all over the thread. The freshly-arrived immigrant is just one example. There's other examples in the thread, and I know people that do it around their kids' schedule to supplement their income, that use it as a side-job so they have funds to start their business or fund a hobby, etc. One can stay here debating all along why people get to those situations in the first place, and that normal jobs shouldn't require extra work, or that immigrants should be able to find easy "normal" jobs etc, but the point stands for me that a world where I can pick from three options (full-time, part-time, gig) is better than a world where I can only pick from two. That being said, I'm supportive of more regulation around gig-work to protect gig-workers, but that regulation needs to be specific to gig work and not just force it to disappear outright. A gig-worker shouldn't be able to be kicked out without explanation, there should be recourse for customer ratings, they should be covered by some kind of global insurance, etc, but these things will need to be tweaked to this new reality instead of us pretending like there aren't many many people around the world that prefer this work arrangement.