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Low quality "china scary" article that basically reiterates something that is true in virtually all five eyes and shengen countries. Violate the law and you ca

Low quality "china scary" article that basically reiterates something that is true in virtually all five eyes and shengen countries. Violate the law and you can be held for criminal prosecution.

jamesaurichs 3y ago
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- zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
  People staring at me 24/7 sounds really weird but I dunno about torture
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > since China is a dictatorship now. When was China not a dictatorship? Isn’t the issue now that it has become something less of a benevolent dictatorship with regard to foreign travelers recently?
- waithuh 3y ago
  To be fair, any U.S government agency can very well torture you as well, as they can do an oopsie and send you over to somewhere middle in the woods in Poland. The term whataboutism is also not exactly stable when it comes to politics because nobody plays fairly.
  - theonething 3y ago
    I don't have proof, but I'm willing to bet that it happens a lot more in China than here in the US.
ProjectArcturis 3y ago
>Legal experts say virtually any party to a civil dispute in China involving a foreign national can ask local police to add their opponent’s name to a national database of exit bans that police check at every airport, railway station and other border crossing... That is certainly not how things are in most Western countries.
- nimbius 3y ago
  Except in Canada where huawei's executive got the same treatment, or the US where the no fly list exists with little recourse.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > the US where the no fly list exists with little recourse. While I suppose its technically distantly parallel to the description in the article, in that there is nothing stopping a private party from asking the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center to add someone to thie No Fly List, there’s actually no established process for such a request and no set of criteria that would make it particularly applicable to a foreign national against whom a local has civil litigation pending, so, substantively, the analogy is badly strained, especially since the No Fly List is not a general exit control. Also, recourse for denied boarding and denied entry (but not denied exit, because the US, again, doesn’t have exit controls) is available through the DHS TRIP process, which is appealable if a satisfactory result is not received to the appropriate US Court of Appeals.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > Except in Canada where huawei's executive got the same treatment This is an extremely bad faith claim. Unless you're claiming the two Michaels detained by China (in retaliation) also got to live a lavish lifestyle in a mansion.
  - canucker2016 3y ago
    According to https://www.reuters.com/technology/key-events-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhous-extradition-case-2021-08-11/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/key-events-huawei-cfo-men... A court in the USA had issued an arrest warrant for the Huawei CFO. The USA had to issue a request for Canada to detain her for extradition to the USA due to the arrest warrant.
ydnaclementine 3y ago
Looks like you dropped this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmjljQP3oY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmjljQP3oY

Low quality "china scary" article that basically reiterates something that is true in virtually all five eyes and shengen countries. Violate the law and you can be held for criminal prosecution.

jamesaurichs 3y ago

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zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
People staring at me 24/7 sounds really weird but I dunno about torture
dragonwriter 3y ago
> since China is a dictatorship now. When was China not a dictatorship? Isn’t the issue now that it has become something less of a benevolent dictatorship with regard to foreign travelers recently?
waithuh 3y ago
To be fair, any U.S government agency can very well torture you as well, as they can do an oopsie and send you over to somewhere middle in the woods in Poland. The term whataboutism is also not exactly stable when it comes to politics because nobody plays fairly.
- theonething 3y ago
  I don't have proof, but I'm willing to bet that it happens a lot more in China than here in the US.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago

>Legal experts say virtually any party to a civil dispute in China involving a foreign national can ask local police to add their opponent’s name to a national database of exit bans that police check at every airport, railway station and other border crossing... That is certainly not how things are in most Western countries.

nimbius 3y ago
Except in Canada where huawei's executive got the same treatment, or the US where the no fly list exists with little recourse.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > the US where the no fly list exists with little recourse. While I suppose its technically distantly parallel to the description in the article, in that there is nothing stopping a private party from asking the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center to add someone to thie No Fly List, there’s actually no established process for such a request and no set of criteria that would make it particularly applicable to a foreign national against whom a local has civil litigation pending, so, substantively, the analogy is badly strained, especially since the No Fly List is not a general exit control. Also, recourse for denied boarding and denied entry (but not denied exit, because the US, again, doesn’t have exit controls) is available through the DHS TRIP process, which is appealable if a satisfactory result is not received to the appropriate US Court of Appeals.
- richbell 3y ago
  > Except in Canada where huawei's executive got the same treatment This is an extremely bad faith claim. Unless you're claiming the two Michaels detained by China (in retaliation) also got to live a lavish lifestyle in a mansion.
- canucker2016 3y ago
  According to https://www.reuters.com/technology/key-events-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhous-extradition-case-2021-08-11/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/key-events-huawei-cfo-men... A court in the USA had issued an arrest warrant for the Huawei CFO. The USA had to issue a request for Canada to detain her for extradition to the USA due to the arrest warrant.

ydnaclementine 3y ago

Looks like you dropped this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmjljQP3oY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmjljQP3oY