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I shared that way of thinking in the past but I noticed that there is a subset group of religious people that wouldn't consider atheists/non-believers human eit

I shared that way of thinking in the past but I noticed that there is a subset group of religious people that wouldn't consider atheists/non-believers human either. I am very skeptical about the benefits of fearing "burning in hell" in the long run.

6510 3y ago
Religious people are far from model citizens. From the perspective of non-religious people they deeply believe in something without any evidence. But specially the more fanatic atheist has this aura of superiority around him. There is this sense of liberation when you free yourself from bunch of lies or when you oppose a bunch of lies. (or think you do) But then we are stuck with these annoying christian values baked into our culture. Annoying since you cant just get rid of them because they are good ideas. We've basically uninstalled the proprietary application because it was bad but now we have to implement the protocol ourselves. This is considerably harder than bowing to some god king and doing as told. As a religious man told me, if god is not real you can just go around killing and robbing people? We are not in a hurry living up to his expectations but gradually we are getting there. So far robbing everyone is working out nicely.
- predictabl3 3y ago
  > But specially the more fanatic atheist has this aura of superiority around him. There is this sense of liberation when you free yourself from bunch of lies or when you oppose a bunch of lies. (or think you do) > But then we are stuck with these annoying christian values baked into our culture. Annoying since you cant just get rid of them because they are good ideas. I'm done here for a while. This place is turning into a complete joke.
jollofricepeas 3y ago
Agreed. But there is something we can learn from the Bible as it deals with wealth redistribution. There was a Jewish fellow on here some years ago who proposed in a thread that modern societies consider a jubilee year as mentioned in the Tanakh or Laws of Moses. “The Jubilee is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years) and, according to biblical regulations, had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel. According to the Book of Leviticus, Hebrew slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven, and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest.” SOURCES: - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)#:~:text=The%20biblical%20requirement%20is%20that,of%20all%20Israelite%20indentured%20servants https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)#:~:text=T.... - https://bibleproject.com/podcast/jubilee-radical-year-release/#:~:text=The%20Year%20of%20Jubilee%E2%80%94it's,every%20fifty%20years%20in%20Israel https://bibleproject.com/podcast/jubilee-radical-year-releas....
- 6510 3y ago
  If you want to go down that rabbit hole.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/debt-jubilee-is-only-way-avoid-depression/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/debt-jubi... > Until recently, historians doubted that a debt jubilee would have been possible in practice, or that such proclamations could have been enforced. But Assyriologists have found that from the beginning of recorded history in the Near East, it was normal for new rulers to proclaim a debt amnesty upon taking the throne. Instead of blowing a trumpet, the ruler “raised the sacred torch” to signal the amnesty. The Romans ended the tradition which was ultimately their unmaking. "Debt" was creatively replaced with "sin". The Italians still pray nostri debiti. Jesus wanted the debt forgiven. He died for your debt, pretty much. Empire and Economics: The Long History of Debt-Cancelation from Antiquity to Today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DkZ3CWFOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DkZ3CWFOk Bertrand Russell, "The Golem of Venice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM

6510 3y ago

Religious people are far from model citizens. From the perspective of non-religious people they deeply believe in something without any evidence. But specially the more fanatic atheist has this aura of superiority around him. There is this sense of liberation when you free yourself from bunch of lies or when you oppose a bunch of lies. (or think you do) But then we are stuck with these annoying christian values baked into our culture. Annoying since you cant just get rid of them because they are good ideas. We've basically uninstalled the proprietary application because it was bad but now we have to implement the protocol ourselves. This is considerably harder than bowing to some god king and doing as told. As a religious man told me, if god is not real you can just go around killing and robbing people? We are not in a hurry living up to his expectations but gradually we are getting there. So far robbing everyone is working out nicely.

predictabl3 3y ago
> But specially the more fanatic atheist has this aura of superiority around him. There is this sense of liberation when you free yourself from bunch of lies or when you oppose a bunch of lies. (or think you do) > But then we are stuck with these annoying christian values baked into our culture. Annoying since you cant just get rid of them because they are good ideas. I'm done here for a while. This place is turning into a complete joke.

jollofricepeas 3y ago

Agreed. But there is something we can learn from the Bible as it deals with wealth redistribution. There was a Jewish fellow on here some years ago who proposed in a thread that modern societies consider a jubilee year as mentioned in the Tanakh or Laws of Moses. “The Jubilee is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years) and, according to biblical regulations, had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel. According to the Book of Leviticus, Hebrew slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven, and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest.” SOURCES: - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)#:~:text=The%20biblical%20requirement%20is%20that,of%20all%20Israelite%20indentured%20servants https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)#:~:text=T.... - https://bibleproject.com/podcast/jubilee-radical-year-release/#:~:text=The%20Year%20of%20Jubilee%E2%80%94it's,every%20fifty%20years%20in%20Israel https://bibleproject.com/podcast/jubilee-radical-year-releas....

6510 3y ago
If you want to go down that rabbit hole.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/debt-jubilee-is-only-way-avoid-depression/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/debt-jubi... > Until recently, historians doubted that a debt jubilee would have been possible in practice, or that such proclamations could have been enforced. But Assyriologists have found that from the beginning of recorded history in the Near East, it was normal for new rulers to proclaim a debt amnesty upon taking the throne. Instead of blowing a trumpet, the ruler “raised the sacred torch” to signal the amnesty. The Romans ended the tradition which was ultimately their unmaking. "Debt" was creatively replaced with "sin". The Italians still pray nostri debiti. Jesus wanted the debt forgiven. He died for your debt, pretty much. Empire and Economics: The Long History of Debt-Cancelation from Antiquity to Today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DkZ3CWFOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DkZ3CWFOk Bertrand Russell, "The Golem of Venice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM