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I disagree with c, e, and f. I commute 100 miles each way several days a week. I just charge my Model 3 to 100% the night before. I've done this on very cold d

I disagree with c, e, and f. I commute 100 miles each way several days a week. I just charge my Model 3 to 100% the night before. I've done this on very cold days in single digit (f) temperatures and literal blizzards. Yes the cold hurts range, but it's enough margin that I rarely worry about it. Some days when I'm running around I'll park at a parking garage for a few hours plugged in to a level 2 charger and it's all topped off.

FloatArtifact 3y ago
Battery loss is quite dependent on the EV and not everybody can afford 58,630 for a model y.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Model Y is about $45k after sales tax and federal tax credit. Roughly the price of the average new car ($48k), with a much lower total cost of ownership. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/08/tesla-touts-tax-credits-price-cuts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/08/tesla-touts-tax-credits...
  - vba616 3y ago
    I can get a legit 55 mpg from my non-plug-in hybrid, and gas is nearly $4 where I am, so that's 7.3 cents / mile. The Model Y is said to go 3.8-3.9 miles / kWh and would've cost something like $22,000 more (both new, mine was discounted in late 2020). Sources for Model Y efficiency: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... Gas is near $4 where I live, so a mile is about 7.3 cents. A kWh for me costs 19.6 cents - off my most recent electric bill, not including the price of basic service to be a fair comparison. 19.6 cents/kWh divided by 3.85 mi/kWh is 5.1 cents per mile. So the obvious savings is around 2.2 cents a mile. $22,000 divided by 2.2 cents is a nice round million miles. I swear I didn't rig this to come out to exactly 1 million... But the other thing is that I only drive my hybrid about 8,000 miles a year. That's why I'm a good candidate for an EV in theory, since I wouldn't be relying on public chargers. A million miles divided by 8,000, though, is 125 years. Another perspective is that an EV that gets < 2.7 miles per kWh would likely be more expensive to "fill up" than my gas-powered car. There are EVs like that on the market! Apparently they are mainly BMW, Mercedes, or Audi models, so admittedly Teslas (and the Nissan Leaf) seem to be better. You could argue TCO, but how much do you think maintenance on a new Honda or Toyota hybrid costs? A Tesla could need a million times less, but a million times less than an insignificant amount still only saves an insignificant amount. And you start tens of thousands in the hole.

FloatArtifact 3y ago

Battery loss is quite dependent on the EV and not everybody can afford 58,630 for a model y.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Model Y is about $45k after sales tax and federal tax credit. Roughly the price of the average new car ($48k), with a much lower total cost of ownership. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/08/tesla-touts-tax-credits-price-cuts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/08/tesla-touts-tax-credits...
- vba616 3y ago
  I can get a legit 55 mpg from my non-plug-in hybrid, and gas is nearly $4 where I am, so that's 7.3 cents / mile. The Model Y is said to go 3.8-3.9 miles / kWh and would've cost something like $22,000 more (both new, mine was discounted in late 2020). Sources for Model Y efficiency: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... Gas is near $4 where I live, so a mile is about 7.3 cents. A kWh for me costs 19.6 cents - off my most recent electric bill, not including the price of basic service to be a fair comparison. 19.6 cents/kWh divided by 3.85 mi/kWh is 5.1 cents per mile. So the obvious savings is around 2.2 cents a mile. $22,000 divided by 2.2 cents is a nice round million miles. I swear I didn't rig this to come out to exactly 1 million... But the other thing is that I only drive my hybrid about 8,000 miles a year. That's why I'm a good candidate for an EV in theory, since I wouldn't be relying on public chargers. A million miles divided by 8,000, though, is 125 years. Another perspective is that an EV that gets < 2.7 miles per kWh would likely be more expensive to "fill up" than my gas-powered car. There are EVs like that on the market! Apparently they are mainly BMW, Mercedes, or Audi models, so admittedly Teslas (and the Nissan Leaf) seem to be better. You could argue TCO, but how much do you think maintenance on a new Honda or Toyota hybrid costs? A Tesla could need a million times less, but a million times less than an insignificant amount still only saves an insignificant amount. And you start tens of thousands in the hole.