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>I'm really annoyed with ad hominems like "Anyone who thinks Apple only makes high-priced products has completely lost sense of reality." Statements like this b

>I'm really annoyed with ad hominems like "Anyone who thinks Apple only makes high-priced products has completely lost sense of reality." Statements like this basically amount to "everybody who disagrees with me is an idiot" and add nothing. All they do is annoy the reader Agreed, and most of the people who say that live in Silicon Valley sipping a $5 latte in a Starbucks with a Macbook in tow. Whereas, in countries like India, you could be working a great job, have all luxuries, even have a housemaid and the iPhone will easily set you back a months salary. Whereas, in the US, you can buy around 7 unlocked iphones with a month's salary. People's perspective is screwed up when they don't understand why everyone doesn't rush to buy Apple products. How many in the US or Europe would buy the iPhone if it was $5000 ? I am not implying Apple should lower the prices but I think the people making that claim about them not being high priced products have completely lost their sense of reality.

wmf 15y ago
OTOH, wasn't the iPad 1 the cheapest 10-inch tablet? So either all 10-inch tablets are luxuries or Apple is actually selling bargain-priced hardware compared to the competition.
seanmcd 15y ago
I really hate the uninformed India/China argument when it comes to exemplifying overpriced Apple products. Turns out, there are a lot of iPhones in New Delhi and Beijing used by a rising middle class...they even pay full unsubsidized high-tax prices for them. FYI, its not $5000, its $820 for a iPhone 4s in Beijing. Apple is already making a lot of money in China, and I'm sure they will eventually make money in India after they open up a few stores and get people off the gray market (where iPhones are sourced now). I'm dreading when the next iPad comes out in China, there will probably be yellow cow riots again.
- recoiledsnake 15y ago
  >I really hate the uninformed India/China argument when it comes to exemplifying overpriced Apple products Really? >FYI, its not $5000, its $820 for a iPhone 4s in Beijing. I said, IMAGINE if you had pay $5000 for an iPhone in the US or Europe. It is that expensive comparatively to someone in China or India. I did not say or imply that they aren't making money, I was saying people who say they're overpriced havent "lost all touch with reality" as much the person making such an argument.
  - seanmcd 15y ago
    The point is that yes, they are overpriced for farmers and migrant workers in these countries, but they are definitely not overpriced for the middle class. The middle class in China is already 200 million people, think a similar number for India. These are huge markets for Apple, and they are doing just fine. In fact, I think Apple is a bit cheaper in China compared to the luxury alternatives. Apple is very aggressive in China, and their markup is probably just totally due to taxes. This is compared to Samsung or even Lenovo, whose markup is much higher. Apple is actually cheaper than the alternatives, which is why the Chinese are buying their products up.
batista 15y ago
Whereas, in countries like India, you could be working a great job, have all luxuries, even have a housemaid and the iPhone will easily set you back a months salary. Whereas, in the US, you can buy around 7 unlocked iphones with a month's salary. People's perspective is screwed up when they don't understand why everyone doesn't rush to buy Apple products. How many in the US or Europe would buy the iPhone if it was $5000 ? He is talking about the US. If you pick arbitrary countries, even the lowest $200 laptop can be a year's salary.

wmf 15y ago

OTOH, wasn't the iPad 1 the cheapest 10-inch tablet? So either all 10-inch tablets are luxuries or Apple is actually selling bargain-priced hardware compared to the competition.

seanmcd 15y ago

I really hate the uninformed India/China argument when it comes to exemplifying overpriced Apple products. Turns out, there are a lot of iPhones in New Delhi and Beijing used by a rising middle class...they even pay full unsubsidized high-tax prices for them. FYI, its not $5000, its $820 for a iPhone 4s in Beijing. Apple is already making a lot of money in China, and I'm sure they will eventually make money in India after they open up a few stores and get people off the gray market (where iPhones are sourced now). I'm dreading when the next iPad comes out in China, there will probably be yellow cow riots again.

recoiledsnake 15y ago
>I really hate the uninformed India/China argument when it comes to exemplifying overpriced Apple products Really? >FYI, its not $5000, its $820 for a iPhone 4s in Beijing. I said, IMAGINE if you had pay $5000 for an iPhone in the US or Europe. It is that expensive comparatively to someone in China or India. I did not say or imply that they aren't making money, I was saying people who say they're overpriced havent "lost all touch with reality" as much the person making such an argument.
- seanmcd 15y ago
  The point is that yes, they are overpriced for farmers and migrant workers in these countries, but they are definitely not overpriced for the middle class. The middle class in China is already 200 million people, think a similar number for India. These are huge markets for Apple, and they are doing just fine. In fact, I think Apple is a bit cheaper in China compared to the luxury alternatives. Apple is very aggressive in China, and their markup is probably just totally due to taxes. This is compared to Samsung or even Lenovo, whose markup is much higher. Apple is actually cheaper than the alternatives, which is why the Chinese are buying their products up.

batista 15y ago

Whereas, in countries like India, you could be working a great job, have all luxuries, even have a housemaid and the iPhone will easily set you back a months salary. Whereas, in the US, you can buy around 7 unlocked iphones with a month's salary. People's perspective is screwed up when they don't understand why everyone doesn't rush to buy Apple products. How many in the US or Europe would buy the iPhone if it was $5000 ? He is talking about the US. If you pick arbitrary countries, even the lowest $200 laptop can be a year's salary.