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It's not an ad hominem, it's a statement of fact. Apple has a reputation for producing expensive products which are distinguished mostly by industrial design an
by Cushman 15y ago
It's not an ad hominem, it's a statement of fact. Apple has a reputation for producing expensive products which are distinguished mostly by industrial design and software rather than specs. It remains absolutely true of their peripherals and accessories, and true, though to a lesser extent, of their computers; however, in smartphones and tablets, Apple is the company that releases best-of-class hardware year after year at retail prices that their competitors have a hard time matching, let alone beating.
And anyone who can't admit that is ignoring reality, yeah.
- tikhonj 15y agoIts accuracy or lack of accuracy doesn't really matter. Even if you are an idiot, my calling you an idiot is unwarranted.
- catshirt 15y agono one called anyone an idiot
- tikhonj 15y agoClaiming somebody has "completely lost sight of reality" is similar, differing only in degree and number of words.
- Cushman 15y agoIdiot is your word. Gruber said "lost sense of reality", which is what you would have to do to think that Apple only makes over-priced products. It is objectively not true.
- vibrunazo 15y ago"Idiot" is an ad hominem, but "has no sense of reality" isn't? Ad Hominem is an attack on the person, regardless of which specific attack it is. Being accurate or not has nothing to do with it. If I say that you're wrong and a jew, I just made an ad hominem attack, regardless if you're actually a jew or not. That's completely uncalled for.
- malkia 15y agoBut he didn't say "idiot". You assumed that's what he meant to say...
- tikhonj 15y agoPerhaps "idiot" was too strong a word. But my point is not about severity--it's about personal attacks in general. I did not mean to imply Gruber called anyone an idiot; rather, I was just illustrating how an ad hominem is an ad hominem regardless of accuracy.
- usaar333 15y ago> however, in smartphones and tablets, Apple is the company that releases best-of-class hardware year after year at retail prices that their competitors have a hard time matching, let alone beating. Half-true. It is true that competitors who build equivalently high-end products as Apple have difficulty competing on price (Apple only sells high-end). But there are Android smart-phones that sell new for $100+ less than even an iPhone 4. (unlocked, non-contract prices!) Equally you can get a kindle fire for $200 less than an iPad 2.