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> Before the pandemic, I already made a lot more money (as a lawyer) than my middle class neighbors. Now I also get to work from home three days a week, and get

by np- 3y ago

> Before the pandemic, I already made a lot more money (as a lawyer) than my middle class neighbors. Now I also get to work from home three days a week, and get a lot more quality time with my kids, while they have to go to work every day because their jobs aren’t knowledge work. With all due respect - so what? This seems like crab in a bucket mentality, just because some of us crabs managed to climb to the top of the bucket, we deserve to be pulled down because of some warped view of fairness? We should actually be trying to pull the rest of them out with us.

rayiner 3y ago
You’re not a crab, you’re the chef cooking the crabs. You might work for the restaurant owner, but your material interests aren’t aligned with those of the crabs. The wages versus capital distinction overlooks the nature of modern businesses, where ownership is diffuse, and businesses are run by a vast class of skilled professionals. For example, Tim Cook owns just 0.02% of Apple stock, but he runs the company. Many executives below him have tremendous power. Individual engineers can have a major impact on the direction of the whole business. Most importantly, the executive roles are typically filled from that same class of people. These people aren’t Steve Jobs in terms of their ownership interest in the company, but they’re not Apple Store workers either. Their self interest is fundamentally more aligned with those of the capitalists than with the interests of labor.
Tactician_mark 3y ago
np- is acknowledging a difference between their job and the jobs of others. I think it's important to acknowledge those differences, especially since those other metaphorical crabs aren't getting out of the pot any time soon. For example, I think it would be nice if workers forced to commute had additional worker protections related to cost of transit/housing.

by np- 3y ago

rayiner 3y ago

You’re not a crab, you’re the chef cooking the crabs. You might work for the restaurant owner, but your material interests aren’t aligned with those of the crabs. The wages versus capital distinction overlooks the nature of modern businesses, where ownership is diffuse, and businesses are run by a vast class of skilled professionals. For example, Tim Cook owns just 0.02% of Apple stock, but he runs the company. Many executives below him have tremendous power. Individual engineers can have a major impact on the direction of the whole business. Most importantly, the executive roles are typically filled from that same class of people. These people aren’t Steve Jobs in terms of their ownership interest in the company, but they’re not Apple Store workers either. Their self interest is fundamentally more aligned with those of the capitalists than with the interests of labor.

Tactician_mark 3y ago

np- is acknowledging a difference between their job and the jobs of others. I think it's important to acknowledge those differences, especially since those other metaphorical crabs aren't getting out of the pot any time soon. For example, I think it would be nice if workers forced to commute had additional worker protections related to cost of transit/housing.