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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.
by hluska 3y ago
It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.
- devwastaken 3y ago[flagged]
- kennyChinzy 3y ago[dead]
- appplication 3y agoI feel like in 2004 not everyone who was an asshole on the internet was aware they were assholes, and there wasn’t the same culture of enthusiastically informing them. Not to excuse the behavior, but different times were different times.
- s_dev 3y agoI can't read this comments as anything other than virtue signalling. You can call Mark Shuttleworth an asshole and still use Ubuntu without being a hypocrite.
- pydry 3y agoIve been feeling like Ubuntu has been failing technically for years and this thread is really helping explain why.
- cbozeman 3y agoYeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. This Shuttleworth guy sounds like a smarmy jackass, and after reading that article on the hiring process, I wouldn't even wanna bother, especially considering I could literally apply at a MAGNAM company and get double the compensation. They can have their "fanatical fan base employees" with my blessing.
- hluska 3y agoWould you mind explaining why you say Ubuntu has been failing technically? I’ve found it underwhelming but I’m curious to read more negative opinions.
- antod 3y agoBut these factors were also in place for their distro ascendency too, so you probably can't blame the factors. If anything, long term success itself is more likely to explain eventual hubris, complacency then decline. I still use Ubuntu at home, but it's probably just inertia at this point. I don't hate it, but I also don't really like it the way I used to.
- hluska 3y agoThat’s interesting because as soon as I read the phrase ‘virtue signaling’, I ignore the person who wrote it. It’s deeply rude because you’re implying that I have no virtue. You don’t know me and so that’s intellectually dishonest.
- yownie 3y agofrom what you've written so far it seems pretty accurate.
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- qaq 3y agoHonest question why?
- hluska 3y agoIt’s based upon a few things. Ubuntu has been underwhelming as of late. It’s fine, just underwhelming. Sometimes software becomes underwhelming as it matures but in this case, the hiring process seems designed to ship underwhelming software. Then there is the particular issue. That kind of thinking/communication style doesn’t make me feel comfortable with Ubuntu (or any project he would have a leadership role in). And finally, I’m really tired of how our industry seems to glorify jerks. So we have: 1.) Ubuntu is rather underwhelming. 2.) The hiring process is so fucked that underwhelming software is the most likely result. 3.) There is a lot of competition and I can find projects with vaguely professional/secure leaders. 4.) I run more than enough jerk driven software.
- qaq 3y agoWhy is filtering applicants for people who accomplished at least something in any area of life (not even specifically software) being a jerk ?
- ubermonkey 3y agoI mean, if Mark wrote that in 2004, he was dunking on an administration that was widely believed to be the worst ever. (Obviously, we had NO idea what was coming.)
- bdav2418 3y ago> (Obviously, we had NO idea what was coming.) Yeah, those drone strikes from the Obama administration were pretty bad.
- delecti 3y agoObama certainly could have done a better job at stopping them (and done better at many other things as well), but those drone strikes started under Bush2, along with the rest of the mostly disastrous "war on terror". Given we experienced our first non-peaceful transition of power, it's absurd to pretend anything else in US history compares.
- marcusverus 3y ago[flagged]
- cdchn 3y agoMaybe the ones that all the indictments just happened for?
- fineIllregister 3y ago> our first non-peaceful transition of power I know what you mean, but the phrasing seems odd given that the US has gone through multiple transfers of power because POTUS was murdered.
- Timon3 3y agoI'm not sure why that is relevant. "Transition of power" describes the period of time when power transitions from one administration to the next. A non-peaceful end of presidency can be followed by a peaceful transition of power. If anything, this fact makes things much worse.
- JimDabell 3y agoThey also buy email lists from ZoomInfo to spam people then don’t take GDPR requests seriously after you chase them for answers. So yeah, good riddance.
- weinzierl 3y agoC'mon, it was a casual joke and no harm done. Also punching someone weaker is a simple act, but taking on someone stronger requires courage. Does it fit the somewhat quirky (but by far not unusual) interview process? Yes Is it a sign of a moral flaw? No
- rbanffy 3y agoUnless, of course, you work for that government. Kind of the same one that put people on the Moon, made the atomic bomb, invented the internet, and other things less extraordinary than repackaging Debian ;-) I have talked to him a couple times while working for Canonical and, while I knew his reputation of being a very Steve Jobs person, he was never an asshole with me. And the CEO was a real sweetheart. I'd think twice if he called me, but wouldn't blink if she did.
- chc 3y agoThe Bush Administration did not do any of those things. Reading his comments as a dismissal of those things, rather than the guy running the White House when he wrote it, seems uncharitable.
- hluska 3y agoWords like “Bush” or “current administration” do not occur in the article. Rather, it was just a link. You don’t have any particular reason to be this charitable.
- chc 3y agoHe linked to the White House website. The occupant of the White House at the time was George W. Bush. I am not even trying to be charitable, that's just the most likely reading to me. Basically every talk show host made similar jokes all the time because Bush was widely considered to be an incompetent nepo baby, so I'd need a reason to read it any other way, and I don't really see one here.
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
- YeBanKo 3y agoWhat is a good alternative to migrate from Ubuntu to?
- chinchilla2020 3y agoEvery famous computer scientist is a complete asshole.
- iraqmtpizza 3y agohe's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george bush?
- phist_mcgee 3y agoTwisting the signal/noise knob this way may not attract all or even the right kind of extraordinary people you think you will.
- iraqmtpizza 3y agoThe classic Madeleine Albright-Aaron Swartz dichotomy. Gee, that's a tough call LOL
- hluska 3y agoMore word salad.
- iraqmtpizza 3y agoHow is it noise to imply that people who work in government are overwhelmingly blood-sucking bureaucrats who could never hack it in the software world? Who does that drive away that would be useful? Tech lobbyists?
- hluska 3y agoRead his words.
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago"I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole." And so I ask again: He's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george W bush? see, I added the W. now answer.
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- lannisterstark 3y agoWait till you hear how much of an asshole RMS and Linus (to degree) are. What's next on your trip, go full time on Microsoft?
- dandellion 3y agoThere's multiple different ways people can be assholes, some are fine and others not.
- hluska 3y agoWhy are you this obsessed with defending this particular dude??
- lannisterstark 3y agoWhere precisely was I 'defending' anyone, nonetheless 'obsessing' over it? hm? care to provide some citations? This isn't reddit. I wrote one line of facetious comment. Definition of "obsessed" and "defending" are clear cut. Words have meaning.